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Old 10-03-2005, 05:59 PM   #91 (permalink)
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It doesn't matter who you support, and who you're against. All politicians are, are crooks stealing from thieves, and all of them lying about it.

Anyway, that's my two cents. There's bad karma in this thread. I'm outta here.
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Old 10-03-2005, 06:24 PM   #92 (permalink)
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It doesn't matter who you support, and who you're against. All politicians are, are crooks stealing from thieves, and all of them lying about it.

Anyway, that's my two cents. There's bad karma in this thread. I'm outta here.
I can only agree with your first comment.

as for your second, you have a right to your opinion. Mine is - sharing information and teaching is a way of re-uniting the human race and hopefully make people think for themselves again. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 10-03-2005, 06:50 PM   #93 (permalink)
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So the media is telling us. The media which is controlled by those in power, which are following their own agenda.
Fear and suspicion amongst people is the greatest tool to control the masses.
What I meant with my question, which might was not very clear was: Who would support a war (ask the man and woman on the street). Who of you and me would want a war - either for ourselves or for another human being.
Who wants to have their son, father, man, brother fight and die for the profit of others.
Who would want to hide from bombs - once again for other peoples profits.

Just a thought.

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American News is done by private organizations, not one's which are run by the government. I'm not sitting here and blindly say that I don't know that the government hides things from the media, to say that the Government runs the media is untrue, at least in the American point of view.
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Old 10-03-2005, 07:18 PM   #94 (permalink)
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American News is done by private organizations, not one's which are run by the government. I'm not sitting here and blindly say that I don't know that the government hides things from the media, to say that the Government runs the media is untrue, at least in the American point of view.
but aren't some of the most importaint and the most watched tv stations ( fox) and newspapers in america owned by republicans? which definetly influenced news and information put on those stations ( so i've seen in a documentary on the last presidential elections in america )
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Old 10-03-2005, 09:35 PM   #95 (permalink)
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I don't know what makes Fox "important", and Im assuming the doc you watched was "outfoxed"

its constantly pointed out the Fox news is as biased as Al Jezeria (sp) and that they edit, eschew, and insert their own opinion well over 50% of the time. I forget who did that report (before the Coporate Ghost team gang ****s me) but I had a class on news media and political power and it was documented over the course of a 6 month period.

Not all Americans get their news from Fox, honestly, anyone who gets only their news from one source isn't fit to speak on the subject.
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I don't know what makes Fox "important", and Im assuming the doc you watched was "outfoxed"

its constantly pointed out the Fox news is as biased as Al Jezeria (sp) and that they edit, eschew, and insert their own opinion well over 50% of the time. I forget who did that report (before the Coporate Ghost team gang ****s me) but I had a class on news media and political power and it was documented over the course of a 6 month period.

Not all Americans get their news from Fox, honestly, anyone who gets only their news from one source isn't fit to speak on the subject.
well i mentioned fox because i have a cousin in america and he said that fox is actually becoming more and more popular and is considered to be one of the most credible news sources ( especially since cnn's credibility was ruined by certain cases i can't remember..well that's according to him anyway )
and hey look, i'm in your sig...i feel so importaint!
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American News is done by private organizations, not one's which are run by the government. I'm not sitting here and blindly say that I don't know that the government hides things from the media, to say that the Government runs the media is untrue, at least in the American point of view.
Hey there,

as I said, the media is controlled (not run) by those in power (not government). Governments (for me) are the puppets put into the public Eye, by the ones in power. And if the puppets don't dance to the right tune, we have seen what happens to them (Kennedy) just to name one.
Media is about selling more magazines and newspapers and getting more viewers than others. Therefore so called "news" have to be more dramatic, with more pictures - and foremost there needs to be constant repetition.
Since this is a music site, why not look at the well known payola.

Did you (or anyone else of course) not wonder at times, how some songs made it to number 1 hits, to be played on mainstream radio over and over again?
Is anyone here a musician, songwriter trying to get his/her music played on mainstream radio ?
Well I guess in order to get the exposure your music deserves (and it most likely is better than the one you hear on radio and tv) you need to put down some serious money to programmers in order to get your songs played, as the latest out of court Sony settlement shows.
And how come people go out and buy the music ? Because they hear nothing else, all day. From Restaurants to Supermarkets, from TV to Radio. If often enough heard, there is a recognition factor - and we find ourselves humming a melody, which in the first place - we did not even like.

Just my take on the matter, and like it was pointed out that trying to get information from only one source is not a good idea, if one wants to find the truth (or at least get close to it)

There are a lot of questions which arise at times, once we sit down and quietly analyse the "news" we just heard. If we imagine that what we just heard, was told to us by an individual we personally know (and it was not on national tv) I guess we are much more critical on this information.
We would question this person to the core, and throw in contra-arguments.
I do the same thing with news delivered to me from the media - try to find other views on the matter and then build my opinion on it.

For example it is very interesting to watch CNN USA and CNN Europe and compare the views. Paints a pretty different pictures at times.

Just my thoughts on that,
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but aren't some of the most importaint and the most watched tv stations ( fox) and newspapers in america owned by republicans? which definetly influenced news and information put on those stations ( so i've seen in a documentary on the last presidential elections in america )
It's the exact opposite. Of the major news organizations, Fox is the only one run by republicans often giving a republican form of news. ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC are not.
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Hey there,

as I said, the media is controlled (not run) by those in power (not government). Governments (for me) are the puppets put into the public Eye, by the ones in power. And if the puppets don't dance to the right tune, we have seen what happens to them (Kennedy) just to name one.
I'm in a rush and will read the rest later. But just looking at that first paragraph makes me think you might be too much of a conspiracist.
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i hate the war but mostly i hate bush..
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