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Old 04-30-2021, 05:39 PM   #31 (permalink)
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So to give an example that you may relate to more: imagine chav culture would become fashionable among typical tory kids. So they'd dress like that etc. just for fun, but they'd still act just as snobbish. That would feel wrong, wouldn't it?
Well they kind of already do in places, they definitely dress, speak and listen to the music but I don't care tbh.
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Old 04-30-2021, 05:53 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Well they kind of already do in places, they definitely dress, speak and listen to the music but I don't care tbh.
fair enough, not being bothered about that is a heatlhy attitude, but I think people are justified in finding a phenomenon like that a bit insulting. And apart from just causing hurt feelings it can have harmful consequences. Cultural exchange, in the nice sense, happens when you don't only get in touch with aspects of other cultures, but also the people. If you take from other cultures without any respect for the people, you exclude those people from the process. Then it becomes taking things away from a culture, not sharing it. In many cases that's fine because nothing is really lost to you if people copy things from your culture, but sometimes things are lost: like the historical example of stolen art, or people profiting off the copied culture while you get nothing. Or they don't try to understand the culture they take from you, they make it into something else, and then that leads to misunderstandings and prejudice about you.
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Old 04-30-2021, 06:00 PM   #33 (permalink)
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That video of Machine Gun Kelly dancing on a table for a bunch of record execs while being careful not to step on their laptops and calling it "punk" is exactly what harmful cultural appropriation is. If you don't get why that's offensive I can't help ya.
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black culture is in part born out of a response to oppression imposed by whites and we instinctually know this, and that's why when we see a white guy with dreads we cringe a little
It's not harmful cultural appropriation though. It doesn't harm black people and in general is just white people doing what black people do. It's not like the Redskins or the Indians sports teams with feather headresses that appropriate harmful stereotypes of Native Americans that allow white people to "own" indigeonous culture in a way that reinforces that they are savages.

And it absolutely isn't the same as minstrel shows that are just straight up "Look at how dumb black people are."

Cultural appropriation is a neutral concept. The context is what makes it potentially problematic. Pretty sure this is why the popular cultural appropriation discourse was so short lived. A bunch of idiots harped on about it for a bit but the nuance necessary for it to be relevant precluded it being any kind of central leftist discourse cause cultural appropriation in general is fine.
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It's not harmful cultural appropriation though. It doesn't harm black people and in general is just white people doing what black people do. It's not like the Redskins or the Indians sports teams with feather headresses that appropriate harmful stereotypes of Native Americans that allow white people to "own" indigeonous culture in a way that reinforces that they are savages.

And it absolutely isn't the same as minstrel shows that are just straight up "Look at how dumb black people are."

Cultural appropriation is a neutral concept. The context is what makes it potentially problematic. Pretty sure this is why the popular cultural appropriation discourse was so short lived. A bunch of idiots harped on about it for a bit but the nuance necessary for it to be relevant precluded it being any kind of central leftist discourse cause cultural appropriation in general is fine.
yeah that nails it I think
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How is this cringe

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it's not necessarily harmful but it is cringe
Most people are cringe.
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Stolen artifacts are a more concerning aspect of cultural appropriation than people preferring Macklemore to Nas imo.
Especially magical ones.
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Stolen artifacts are a more concerning aspect of cultural appropriation than people preferring Macklemore to Nas imo.
Nah... Preferring Macklemore is worse tbh
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