You're just making **** up now.

No, nothing like that, I'm just lazily paraphrasing one French pedophile without any of the historical exposition or rhetorical buildup and flair that make his arguments so compelling.

Which doesn't mean that there isn't something to it.

The act of truth-telling is the most powerful thing there is, it's the stuff people die for (so not all fun - still powerful). And a major, maybe the major site of truth in the world we live in happens to be sexuality. To take one example, THE most momentous event in the lives of many young people today is posting a confession-style monologue about discovering the truth about your innermost gender to their instagram or twitter, about how deep inside you're they/them. The details vary but the reality is that you're compelled - by the ambient voice of our culture - to spill your guts out about your sexuality these days.

I can't see how the way you make sense of and narrativize your sexual experiences would be free of those pressures.

Which is not to say that most or even many of those making meetoo claims are lying or significantly misrepresenting what went on. Or that speaking out about sexual abuse, real or imaginary, is "rewarding". But there are more dynamics at play than predatory guys who prey on their victims.

I agree with that last part. I just really doubt whether in most cases the other things at play are significant compared to the predatory guy part, at least not enough to call it a power dynamic in the woman's favour

Every so often you do see higher profile accusers getting shown up as liars (like those women that Michael Avenatti coached and brought up during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, for example), but in general I'd say most women don't believe the attention they're going to get for calling someone out is worth the risk. They're generally more credible than the people they are accusing.

"I couldn't say no to raping her because I knew how she would exploit the situation to fulfill her rampant desire for moral integrity."

Given the statistics this amounts to a smokescreen for abusers though. It's not helpful and however illuminating it might be is squandered when historically speaking there's always a market for a smokescreen for abusers.

That's between him and God. Maybe next time don't pressure women for obviously creepy sexual favors whose careers depend on your good will.

dunno i feel like with all the heat and attention he got from it he'd be really stupid to try that **** again lol. Part of what makes people do **** like that is the assumption that they can get away with it..

All of what makes them do **** like that is that they want to push personal boundaries to prove that they can. Maybe if he hadn't had that bit in his show where he's calling a woman a **** for talking during his set I wouldn't be so unwilling to give him a second chance. Maybe if his comeback had included addressing the issue I'd be willing to believe he'd given some thought to his behavior.

And maybe if he'd done that with his whole shtick being that he's a schlubby guy who's honest about how schlubby he is I wouldn't be so disinterested in more of his standup about how honest he is about being schlubby. Cause now I'm just gonna be thinking what a dishonest pussy he is.

i think that the idea you can get away with it definitely is part of it... That's part of why the me too movement manifested imo is cause there was a long standing culture of looking the other way.. talking during a comedians set is disrespectful enough that i think if they call you a **** that's fair game.. in fact you probably are a ****

You don't have to be a fan to not necessarily think he needs to stay cancelled

Agreed but why did it have to be a woman? I can't read his mind obviously but given what came out I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not really advocating any actions. I'm saying **** him I don't care if his career dies cause he's already shown he uses his career to abuse people who work under him and isn't showing any sign he's going to change his behavior. He's not entitled to be a rich celebrity.

Bold for emphasis. Not only has he not indicated he intends to change his behavior, he hasn’t quite acknowledged or taken accountability for it outside of whatever PR statement was released.

He’s a piece of ****. Doesn’t make his old jokes any less funny, IMO, but I’m not interested in his thoughts or ideas on the world now. I’m certainly not going to be purchasing any specials like I did in the past. Be petty with your money, kids.

I'm not saying it's not sexist i just don't care tbh. It's not harmful enough for me to feel bad for her.

but you still enjoy his old material? He wasn't any less of a pos back then..

The context is different. It's no longer a comedian defending his profession. It's just a pathetic little worm lashing out at women.

Has she figured out how to shave her armpits yet?

Dunno. I only vaguely remember her from that one hit pop song she had in the US, back in the early 80's.

You think you're sick to death of the "woke" discourse, and then something like this from a boomer retard reminds you there are worse things out there.

Maybe, but at least we "boomers" aren't full of ourselves.

Ur fool ov urself for being scared of natural body hair

Travis Scott is the latest, the videos I've seen of Astroworld is horrifying.

I'm not usually on the whole "outrage culture is a scourge" train but this is egregiously stupid. I'm with Terry. I like Dave's special. Cancel me next!

I highly doubt that the two are related.

What else was Terry accused of? He been naughty lately? Or do you think it was just cancelled because it sucked?

They probably canceled for a venue change or something. The lack of detail from the article on that end is sus af and seems like they're linking the two for promotional purposes.

‘I’m one of the nicer showrunners’: Joss Whedon denies misconduct allegations


Sounds like a massive dick to me.

cancelled for having way too many posts

Hooo boy. :rolleyes:

Guys, should I tell him?

Sigh. I'm guessing you're a twentysomething.


You know, back in the day, we "boomers" were running around condemning our elders and wishing they'd disappear so we could make the world a better place never appreciating the fact that, despite some racist and restrictive tendencies at times, they saved us from the scourge of Hitler and some of those elements. Now you want us to disappear so you can save the earth from the scourge of Global Warming and Donald Trump. Hey, I have an idea- instead of trashing an entire generation, a few who may even agree with you on some points, why don't you go out there and do something about it? At least vote for Bernie Sander's sake!

Anyway, at sixty, I can sleep at night knowing that thirty or forty years from now, your younguns are going to be condemning your generation for the evils you have brought upon them and they'll be wishing you went away.

Because, that's the way the human race works, Hercs.

I'm in my mid 30s actually, I'm on the older end of the millennial spectrum, if I was born only about 6 years earlier I'd be a gen xer.

Which you boomers never fully committed to, that's not my generation's fault.

Just like with the space race Americans love to take credit for something the Russians did first.

Voting isn't enough and it never was.

It doesn't have to be, "you get more conservative when you're older" is an excuse people make for closing their minds. It's not a biological reality so much as a personal failure.

I grew up in an incredibly conservative culture in the bible belt, when I was 18 years old I voted for Bush, and yet the older I get the more radicalized I've become and I've never been to college or any such "indoctrination camps" so how did it happen? I chose not to accept the status quo and not blame young people for all of society's problems, that's the mistake every prior generation makes and it's why systematic corruption remains unchallenged.

I think hating an entire generation is silly so no I don't hate all boomers, not as individuals, I mean I used to be notorious for being one of this forum's most obnoxious classic rock fans and I still mostly listen to older music from that generation, many of my favorite artists are boomers and I do acknowledge that.

Do I think boomers deserve all of the blame for everything turning to sh*t? No not really. But this was a generation that had more advantages and privileges than any generation before or since, boomers hyped themselves up to be the ones who were going to change everything only to get in line with the status quo once the 60s were over and elect Reagan and now all they do is complain about younger generations not being content as socioeconomic problems that greatly effect us like income inequality and climate change continue to get worse.

So it's easy to see why boomers have become our favorite punching bag. Is hating the boomers really that productive? No. But my generation takes whatever catharsis we can get. Boomers love to dish it out on us but they can't take it when we bite back. I suggest asking your doctor if copium is right for you. :p:

You're right on some fronts. We did benefit from the sacrifices our parents and grandparents made. They didn't want us to suffer through the depression and wars that they did, so yeah, we were kind of spolied. That's why you might shake your head at how Jerry Rubin went from radical Yippie to Reaganesque stockbroker.

I'm a late boomer that grew up in the suburbs so I missed much of the Vietnam/Civil Rights protests as I came of age. We, as a whole, got caught up with the get rich dreams of Reaganomics. I also went to a high school where the majority of students were conservative to the point where they thought the black students always got all the breaks. Incredibly enough, we didn't have a KKK club.

Somehow, I've managed to stay fairly liberal, even progressive, as I've gotten older. But, I've also become more pragmatic realizing it takes more than a few protests to change anything. So I vote for what I can realistically get.

That doesn't mean you should give up. Some things have improved as time goes on and there is no reason that things won't get better in the future.

But, we have to keep going after it. That, ultimately, is our failure as the boomer generation. Maybe your generation will have better success, I hope so.

I hope so too, but I'm not what you'd call a fountain of optimism.

Oh well. I'm glad we've settled this peacefully, I wasn't quite sure where this conversation was gonna go.

You've come a long way, boobs.

Radical Feminism *WARNING* There is a pic of Beth Ditto involved

No worries. I learned from my last time here not to take things so personally. :)