evolution and humans: nature vs society

Lucem Ferre · 12-11-2020, 10:47 PM

Yes, and I'm saying the environment can have an effect on your cells.

Just because it's purely physical doesn't mean there isn't a difference between what's inherited and what's caused by environmental factors.

You just keep changing the phrasing of the semantics with out actually arguing against what's being said just like the free will thing except you just belligerently started saying "cause & effect" like an imbecile who's mad because they can't comprehend why they are wrong.

Do you recognize that there is a difference between inheriting and gaining traits? IF you don't find the difference significant it really doesn't matter.

~~jwb~~ · 12-11-2020, 11:05 PM

You'd have to be more specific I haven't heard of that.

But when you get into intergenerational, that muddies things up since technically speaking, all of your genes have been determined by a long intergenerational process known as evolution.

Lucem Ferre · 12-11-2020, 11:16 PM

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You'd have to be more specific I haven't heard of that.

But when you get into intergenerational, that muddies things up since technically speaking, all of your genes have been determined by a long intergenerational process known as evolution.

I just told ya, bitch.

I guess they'd call it epigenetic transmission. Which makes sense when I asked a therapist about it he thought I was talking about parents passing their trauma on through behavior causing trauma rather than passing it on through inherited mental illnesses caused by a parent's trauma.

Edit: Could be that we have the genes the whole time and what's being passed on is the chances of the gene being activated but me being a dumb dumb doesn't negate my point on towards OH.

OccultHawk · 12-12-2020, 03:05 AM

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the organism itself is part of the environment which renders the term environment functionally meaningless

Seriously. Yes. That’s it. Just stop there and meditate on that.

What Lucem is saying about epigenetics demonstrates a better understanding of biology than anything jwb has said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...genes.amp.html

Lucem Ferre · 12-12-2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Seriously. Yes. That’s it. Just stop there and meditate on that.

What Lucem is saying about epigenetics demonstrates a better understanding of biology than anything jwb has said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...genes.amp.html

What we're saying is that there is a difference between inherited traits at birth and traits gained from the environment. What you're saying is there isn't because you believe the difference doesn't matter.

There, end of discussion. We're all on the same page.

~~jwb~~ · 12-12-2020, 02:49 PM

He doesn't seem to think any difference matters. Professor Hawk doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between learned behavior and instinct either. He has no time for nuance. That's because he really gets it. Not like we get it. He really gets it.

OccultHawk · 12-12-2020, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

He doesn't seem to think any difference matters. Professor Hawk doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between learned behavior and instinct either. He has no time for nuance. That's because he really gets it. Not like we get it. He really gets it.

Church

Lucem Ferre · 12-12-2020, 03:47 PM

The most brilliant man to cut your fish.

OccultHawk · 12-12-2020, 04:51 PM

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The most brilliant man to cut your fish.

Church

Lucem Ferre · 12-12-2020, 07:00 PM

TBF my group therapist agreed that the difference is insignificant.

12-11-2020, 11:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You'd have to be more specific I haven't heard of that. But when you get into intergenerational, that muddies things up since technically speaking, all of your genes have been determined by a long intergenerational process known as evolution.

12-12-2020, 02:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	He doesn't seem to think any difference matters. Professor Hawk doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between learned behavior and instinct either. He has no time for nuance. That's because he really gets it. Not like we get it. He really gets it.