evolution and humans: nature vs society

OccultHawk · 12-10-2020, 02:02 PM

https://www.newscientist.com/article...urture-debate/

Why it’s time to call time on the ‘nature vs nurture’ debate

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this nature vs nurture debate is fundamentally wrong-headed

OccultHawk · 12-10-2020, 02:05 PM

https://behavioralscientist.org/the-...ersus-nurture/

The End of Nature Versus Nurture

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Nature and nurture are always working together to produce all of our traits.

**Marie Monday** · 12-10-2020, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

**** you, Marie

I suggested frontal lobe development.

Love you too man

~~jwb~~ · 12-10-2020, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

**** you, Marie

I suggested frontal lobe development.

Lmao. Don't let me stop you bruh go ahead and school us on the frontal lobe.

OccultHawk · 12-10-2020, 07:17 PM

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Lmao. Don't let me stop you bruh go ahead and school us on the frontal lobe.

https://www.apa.org/pi/families/reso...nitive-impacts

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Imaging studies focusing on neglected children have found significant cerebral abnormalities in the corpus callosum, left neocortex, hippocampus, amygdala, limbic areas, frontal lobe and cerebellar vermis

Imaging. You take person who has been abused, neglected, and or subjected poverty and you scan their brain to discover what’s up. You don’t just use ghost work mysticism you look at the actual biology.

https://www.cdc.gov/violencepreventi...y%2Findex.html

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Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) have a tremendous impact on future violence victimization and perpetration, and lifelong health and opportunity. Working together, we can help create neighborhoods, communities, and a world in which every child can thrive.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...nd-doesnt-mean

What’s your ace score?

Here’s a practical application

Identify children at high risk for a high ace score. Use advanced imaging technology to get a picture of their brains. Correct the problematic situations and monitor the biological development of the brain and learn how to steer a course away from cognitive dysfunction where you actually monitor the source of cognition which is obviously the brain.

Whatever sorts of CBT or mindfulness meditation or changes in diet and exercise or medicine and every combination in between brain structure has to be monitored so we’re not caspering this **** with ethereal ghost theories. Any **** rhetoric that lends itself to false intuitive beliefs that emotions and behavior are intangible need to be dropped because it perpetuates the unproductive thinking that keeps real solutions out of reach. If neural plasticity and new neural pathways are supposedly being created proof through imaging should be the standard.

And yes I do think there’s a link between this language that pretends there’s a separation or dichotomy between nature and nurture is archaic, ignorant, and harmful.

Whether the behavior is homophobia, transphobia, violence, or acceptance, generosity, love - it’s all biological- it’s all brain function: language that suggests some force outside of or separate from nature or behavior that is not instinctual is counter productive.

~~jwb~~ · 12-10-2020, 10:11 PM

Jesus christ lol. I'm on break bro. Yeah congrats you found a single way in which environment has an impact. It's not the only way though. Any not every question can be answered with brain scans. No neurologist or psychologist worth their salt would tell you different. There's more to say but tbh don't have time for this right now I'll deal with it in the morning

Neapolitan · 12-10-2020, 10:19 PM

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A real conversation would be hard because it would be about what part of the anatomy dictates behavior and how and then on how environmental factors change the biological hardware that dictates behavior and how. If it’s not in the language of hard science and real biology it’s just pulling theories out of your ass that mean nothing.

Start with a specific like frontal lobe development

So where do feel his "pulling theories out of you ass" comes from: Nature or Nurture? Does he have a genetic trait predisposing him to pull theories out of his ass, or was it family life or perhaps society nurturing this tendency?

OccultHawk · 12-11-2020, 01:08 AM

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Jesus christ lol. I'm on break bro. Yeah congrats you found a single way in which environment has an impact. It's not the only way though. Any not every question can be answered with brain scans. No neurologist or psychologist worth their salt would tell you different. There's more to say but tbh don't have time for this right now I'll deal with it in the morning

You’re worthless. Every brain is in constant contact with an environment and it’s development is the process of that interaction. A brain without an environment is as absurd as a brain without biology because the perception of surroundings, all forms of consciousness in fact, which includes the processing of the surroundings is biological which means even the environment that reacts with the brain is a part of the brain’s biology as consciousness.

You’re going to lol and say neurologists wouldn’t do this or that. Idgaf, because I know the casperism of today’s mental health treating the brain like it’s in spirit land and never even looking at it. It’s stupid bull**** straight out of the Middle Ages like your thread idea and your ignorant conversations with elph. So lol on deez nutzzz

OccultHawk · 12-11-2020, 01:10 AM

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So where do feel his "pulling theories out of you ass" comes from: Nature or Nurture? Does he have a genetic trait predisposing him to pull theories out of his ass, or was it family life or perhaps society nurturing this tendency?

Everything is nature. There’s no dichotomy. It’s a false question whose time has passed.

~~jwb~~ · 12-11-2020, 04:14 AM

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And yes I do think there’s a link between this language that pretends there’s a separation or dichotomy between nature and nurture is archaic, ignorant, and harmful.

... I said at the beginning of this convo that you're fixated on semantics. I clarified that irl both are always hard to disentangle, but conceptually there is still a distinction to me made between factors that are environmental vs genetic. If you concede that the two always work together, which is what I said in the beginning and if what every link you've since posted has said, then you concede that both environmental and genetic influences exist. Even if it's impossible to disentangle them precisely through experiment in every single case.

Keep in mind this entire convo started cause you got pissy when I corrected you that elph was right that there is a distinction between learned behavior and instinct. Please do a frantic Google search to find some click bait pop sci article proclaiming that learned behavior is just instinct since everything is instinct.. professor hawk

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Jesus christ lol. I'm on break bro. Yeah congrats you found a single way in which environment has an impact. It's not the only way though. Any not every question can be answered with brain scans. No neurologist or psychologist worth their salt would tell you different. There's more to say but tbh don't have time for this right now I'll deal with it in the morning