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TBF my group therapist agreed that the difference is insignificant.

This isn’t in the interest of defending my hypothesis

Just a subject of interest with a focus on brain imaging and neuroscience which is where I think the conversation should be held (even if it’s more challenging)

Basically what we have here is evidence that not only does poverty cause health concerns related to stress but that health concerns related to stress also cause poverty creating an inescapable feedback loop

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4464202/

I mean that's not at all surprising. I don't disagree at all with what you're saying about brain scans showing an environmental impact. The only disagreement we had was whether it's worth trying to determine if a trait is genetic or being impacted by the environment. Seems like if your study holds up then it's clearly relevant to factor in environmental influences.

For an example of something that is clearly genetic.. eye color.

let me try it like this

I think it would be helpful if we switched to language along the lines of “the brain structure was bent with the rest of the environment” to correct the thinking that “the mind” is separate from what it perceives. I believe that switching to language that clearly represents reality will help us drill down directly on the problems

As above so below.

The mind and the brain are two different things. And I don't see how your language preference matters at all. Nor do I see it reflected in any of the articles you've linked.

Ffs I even mentioned it has nothing to do with my hypothesis.

It’s statements like “The mind and the brain are two different things” that make me realize how much work there is that needs to be done even with people who start to hint at understanding. Unless you meant the mind includes the entire nervous system. My fear and disappointment is that what you’re really saying is that consciousness is not literally biological. If that is what you’re saying it’s even worse that I thought.

i have no idea what hypothesis you're even referring to.

As for mind/brain.. Nothing supernatural about it. It's a software/hardware distinction. The mind is an emergent phenomenon of the brain.

Where is the mind located?

Is that emergent phenomenon consciousness?

Consciousness is an emergent phenomenon of the mind.

Where is software on your computer located?

Physically loaded into the computer

You’re not ready for this conversation yet. I feel bad because I know I’ll get **** for it and you’ll come up with some kind condescending lol but it’s true. You need to either drop this subject permanently or meditate on it until you understand what I’ve been trying to teach you. I know you know that consciousness is only material but then you make a statement like that that’s drenched in ignorant mysticism - you started this thread - you can keep it - but, intellectually you’re not ready yet.

You can keep posturing but you're not fooling me for a second.

Physically stored on your computer where? where is the software? Is it the **** on your heard drive? Is it the **** in your memory? The bits flowing through your cpu? Is it the images on your screen that you click and drag? Or functionally speaking is it all of the above? It's an entity in and of itself that operates on the platform your computer provides. It's not your computer though.

Similarly, your brain is a computer. It's a machine that uses neurochemical signals to process information. That information is not the neurochemical signals in your brain, though. It's merely represented by it. And those neurochemical signals themselves that form your mind aren't your brain itself. They're a product of your brain.

I encourage you to stop

I encourage you to stop pretending to have any more authority on this subject than the rest of us. You've been demonstrated to be full of **** several times in this thread alone and you keep trucking along like you're right.

Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh.