The British wit

**Marie Monday** · 12-05-2020, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Fluff/Cuthbert will have a better take on that than I would: he's English. I'm pretty sure it's seen as a mouthpiece of the government or something, not too sure, but it doesn't have a good rep in the UK. The phrase "you're just a Guardian reader" or "I bet you read the Guardian" is never said as a compliment

That would just be stupid, because as far as I've read the Guardian they **** on the government

adidasss · 12-05-2020, 04:30 AM

Yeah they are leftist, the UK government has been right wing for some time now. I think the criticism comes mostly from the right. :/

Trollheart · 12-05-2020, 06:17 AM

Dunno. Like I say, Cuthbert is your man. I only know what I hear.

adidasss · 12-05-2020, 06:43 AM

Well if its only hearsay, then don't be shy in giving it a go.

Unless you're some sort of right wing nutter, we have no place for those on musicbanter!! >: (

**Marie Monday** · 12-05-2020, 07:12 AM

Whoa everyone deserves a voice.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm new to the ins and outs of British culture, but I have a feeling it may be a class thing. Distaste for uppity intellectuals. Many of the Guardian readers are probably champagne socialists, but that doesn't make it a bad newspaper

Trollheart · 12-05-2020, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Wait, where are you from?

Also, I guess it depends which side of the political spectrum you lean on.

Ireland.
Personally I'm not political really, but if I lean at all, I guess it would certainly be more to the left than the right. Depends how drunk I am really.

adidasss · 12-05-2020, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Whoa everyone deserves a voice.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm new to the ins and outs of British culture, but I have a feeling it may be a class thing. Distaste for uppity intellectuals. Many of the Guardian readers are probably champagne socialists, but that doesn't make it a bad newspaper

What's wrong with champagne socialism??

**Marie Monday** · 12-05-2020, 09:14 AM

Seriously? It's obviously hypocritical

adidasss · 12-05-2020, 09:18 AM

Ok I'm not really familiar with the term but it seems to imply you can't have money and be a socialist, which I think is not correct.

No? Or does it mean something different?

**Marie Monday** · 12-05-2020, 09:49 AM

No, I'm pretty sure it's not just that; implies having a lot of money and living in a way which can't be reconciled with your socialist ideas. Where to draw the line at calling it hypocrisy isn't set in stone of course

12-05-2020, 04:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Yeah they are leftist, the UK government has been right wing for some time now. I think the criticism comes mostly from the right. :/ __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

12-05-2020, 06:17 AM	#13 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Dunno. Like I say, Cuthbert is your man. I only know what I hear. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

12-05-2020, 06:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Well if its only hearsay, then don't be shy in giving it a go. Unless you're some sort of right wing nutter, we have no place for those on musicbanter!! >: ( __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

12-05-2020, 09:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Ok I'm not really familiar with the term but it seems to imply you can't have money and be a socialist, which I think is not correct. No? Or does it mean something different? __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm