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View Poll Results: Your verdict on the MW monument
Take it down now 3 60.00%
Not great, but OK by me 2 40.00%
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Old 11-12-2020, 12:37 PM   #71 (permalink)
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You mean a fleshlight?
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Old 11-12-2020, 12:39 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Ja, stupid autocorrect. It would obviously have fixed lighting unless you brought your own flashlight.
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Old 11-12-2020, 12:43 PM   #73 (permalink)
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ok

I’m gonna admit it.

I had almost no opinion about this when Lisna posted the story decided to pick a side and then decided to be obnoxiously obtuse about it

****ing sue me

It’s a goddamn message board ffs
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Old 11-12-2020, 01:21 PM   #74 (permalink)
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I agree with Lisna that the artist (Maggi Hambling) apparently has injected a lot of her own ego into this creation. The everywoman/Wollstonecraft figure is very similar facially to Hambling, imo. Also, I don't completely buy Hambling's claims that the everywoman figure was not intended to depict Wollstonecraft herself (maybe a bit of backpedalling once the criticisms began?). More so than the gratuitous nudity, I'm puzzled that everywoman/Wollstonecraft is so tiny and almost an afterthought in her own tribute, in comparison with the gigantic blob. I don't think the figure resembles a Barbie doll, actually. I read a comment somewhere that the silver paint and body structure evokes the robot in Metropolis - and it suddenly dawned on me that is exactly what it reminds me of!

One thing is sure: Hambling has definitely succeeded in drawing attention to Wollstonecraft with this work. I previously had no knowledge whatsoever of MW. Initially I assumed this was a tribute to MW's daughter, Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - and my first thought was, what happened to the "Shelley"? And then I (ignorantly) wondered if that was the point: to remove her married surname as a feminist statement.
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Old 11-12-2020, 01:57 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I read a comment somewhere that the silver paint and body structure evokes the robot in Metropolis - and it suddenly dawned on me that is exactly what it reminds me of!
omg similar epiphany moment here
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Old 11-12-2020, 01:58 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I voted, OK by me. Seems an oversimplification of a point of view but less thought is, in most cases, better.
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Old 11-12-2020, 02:14 PM   #77 (permalink)
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omg similar epiphany moment here
Right?! It was bothering me - couldn't place what it reminded me of - then read that comment and, presto!

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Old 11-12-2020, 11:22 PM   #78 (permalink)
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My immediate respones to this pic was, "what a nice statue!". I didn't notice the detail of the book at first, but I noticed the period costume and the "frozen movement" that statues often try for.
To me, this memorial statue is doing its job well: it conjures up Jane Austen, and lets adults and children alike imagine her for a moment: that's how she probably dressed, she loved books, etc.
The statue looks like it could be any one of her characters (Emma, Fanny, or Marianne) out for a walk during a windy day.

Here is another statue I like. The dress looks futuristic. It'a like Marie Curie step through time presenting to us that she holds the mystery of the atom.

Monument to Maria Sklodowska-Curie


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The MW memorial doesn't allow us that link or glimpse of the actual woman Mary Woolstonecraft. Instead, the sculptress has interjected her own ego between us and MW in order to make a statement of some kind: and what's the message of the MW memorial? One take on it is that women are immured in a bag of garbage, but if you look sexy enough, you will be able to rise up triumphantly above all those old, fat, ugly or non-caucasian losers, who the sculptress has represented here by an unflattering bag of spare parts.

Even though, as OH points out, MW is dead, it's a commonplace to make "would" statements as if the person lived on somewhere. It's consoling to people who've been shocked by a loss, and it's why we so often hear, at funerals, "He would've been so proud..." In that spirit, my suspicion is that MW would not be proud, but instead is turning in her grave, thinking, "WTF? Why couldn't they put up a nice statue of me in my best bonnet?"
I do not know enough about Mary Woolstonecraft to know for certain how she would feel. I'm just guessing: She might feel honored to see her name in print. However she would probably feel absolutely no connection to the nude figure atop the memorial, and perplexed about the whole thing together.

To me it looks a like a trophy with a marble base, abstract art as a riser, and female figure. The whole thing akin to an Oscar award. Between the figure and the base is a strange bit of abstract art that begs to be interpreted. Is it a burning bush with smoke rising? Perhaps a retelling of the Phoenix where the hatched egg burns and rising out of the smoke comes a female figure? Maybe it is suppose to represent an ovary and the figure stands atop a Fallopian tube? Who knows what was running through the mind of the artist when she made the statue.

The MW memorial figure departs from concepts found in classic art like e.g. Venus De Milo. The figure's hips are less curvaceous, the stance more rigid than Venus DM. There was this sense of combining sensuality and modesty in classic art. Statues and paintings of females usually present women partially bare, with either long hair or clothing obscuring the more revealing parts. The MW memorial is less sensual however more revealing - baring the woo woo for all to see. I guess that is most contravention part of the memorial. One thing to take into consideration is that third wave feminism (maybe not all but some do) take pride and see nudity (stripping, pole dancing etc) as empowering. There is a sort of an irony to that where first wave feminist fought not to be treated like a sex object. The whole things seems more like the artist's ode to feminism more than a memorial honouring MW.
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This is public art intended to address its audience in real life, in the present tense. As Virginia Woolf once said of Wollstonecraft, “We hear her voice and trace her influence even now among the living.”
That is a good point, imo
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Old 11-13-2020, 04:51 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Interesting that ribbons and Marie both see something of a Metropolis robot in the MW statue; that never occured to me. Also very interesting comments, Neapolitan:-

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The MW memorial figure departs from concepts found in classic art like e.g. Venus De Milo. The figure's hips are less curvaceous, the stance more rigid than Venus DM. There was this sense of combining sensuality and modesty in classic art. Statues and paintings of females usually present women partially bare, with either long hair or clothing obscuring the more revealing parts. The MW memorial is less sensual however more revealing - baring the woo woo for all to see. I guess that is most contravention part of the memorial. One thing to take into consideration is that third wave feminism (maybe not all but some do) take pride and see nudity (stripping, pole dancing etc) as empowering. There is a sort of an irony to that where first wave feminist fought not to be treated like a sex object. The whole things seems more like the artist's ode to feminism more than a memorial honouring MW.
Regarding the abstract part, here is the artist's own explanation:-

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...artist Maggi Hambling said that her work "involves this tower of intermingling female forms culminating in the figure of the woman at the top who is challenging, and ready to challenge, the world."
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"This is public art intended to address its audience in real life, in the present tense. As Virginia Woolf once said of Wollstonecraft, “We hear her voice and trace her influence even now among the living.”

That is a good point, imo
Thanks for the NYT article, which is far kinder than I have been about the statue. I take the point that a memorial can do more than just represent a figure dressed up in period clothes - that it can speak to its modern audience too. But in view of this fact:-

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According to the organizers, this is the first public statue dedicated to Mary Wollstonecraft in the world.
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"Over 90% of London's monuments celebrate men," reads the campaign website. "This is set against a population of 51% women."
The charity Public Monuments and Sculpture Association has a catalog of all 925 public sculptures in the UK. When campaigner Perez analyzed the list, she found that only 158 statues depict women, according to the charity's website. Of these, almost half were based on fictional figures, 14 were of the Virgin Mary and 46 were of royalty -- meaning there were only 25 statues of historical, non-royal women in the UK.
... Maggie Hambling's monument seems like a missed opportunity to me, especially as it is in so many ways a retrograde step - to celebrate women, yet again, by focusing on that lucky percentile of attractive women and showing them with their clothes off. The modern twist, perhaps to distract attention from such an outdated depiction, is to show the woman rising up out of an abstract bag of butcher's offal. Nice.

To my mind, another way to link MW to the present would've been to show the real MW, with her inkpot and quills, sending a message to a modern woman intent on her cellphone. If that idea sounds cheesy, give me the artist's $190,000 and perhaps I can come up with a better one.
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