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OccultHawk 11-12-2020 07:58 AM

Statues can’t consent or object

Frownland 11-12-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2144093)
Statues can’t consent or object

The woman in the hypothetical whose clothes you want to rip off to liberate her can. It would probably be better if you stuck to molesting statues to establish your feminism though.

Your demands for ideological "perfection" along your shifting baseline is a traditional tool of oppression. Fear of hypocrisy is censorship.

OccultHawk 11-12-2020 08:55 AM

You’re a rapist because you don’t like the statue.

Lisnaholic 11-12-2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2144046)
I like more classical styles in art and sculpture. It looks like someone cared enough to put a face mask on Jane. What I like about the statue is how Jane Austen is pressing a book close to her heart - such sweet sentiment.
https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk...e=article-full

My immediate respones to this pic was, "what a nice statue!". I didn't notice the detail of the book at first, but I noticed the period costume and the "frozen movement" that statues often try for.
To me, this memorial statue is doing its job well: it conjures up Jane Austen, and lets adults and children alike imagine her for a moment: that's how she probably dressed, she loved books, etc.

The MW memorial doesn't allow us that link or glimpse of the actual woman Mary Woolstonecraft. Instead, the sculptress has interjected her own ego between us and MW in order to make a statement of some kind: and what's the message of the MW memorial? One take on it is that women are immured in a bag of garbage, but if you look sexy enough, you will be able to rise up triumphantly above all those old, fat, ugly or non-caucasian losers, who the sculptress has represented here by an unflattering bag of spare parts.

Even though, as OH points out, MW is dead, it's a commonplace to make "would" statements as if the person lived on somewhere. It's consoling to people who've been shocked by a loss, and it's why we so often hear, at funerals, "He would've been so proud..." In that spirit, my suspicion is that MW would not be proud, but instead is turning in her grave, thinking, "WTF? Why couldn't they put up a nice statue of me in my best bonnet?"

Frownland 11-12-2020 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2144097)
You’re a rapist because you don’t like the statue.

Nice dodge, statue****er.

Marie Monday 11-12-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2144081)
1) Statues don’t have feelings
2) If someone feels shame when stripped in public it’s because of society has internalized body shaming just like the people in this thread are doing by objecting to nudity. It’s the reinforcement of body shame, however you justify it, that makes being ashamed of your body possible. In the example you give the person intentionally humiliating the victim has been given all their power by the type of beliefs being heralded as some sort of feminism by the puritans in this thread.

1. We've been over this
2. So in that hypothetical case you'd just stand and casually watch then suffer, because intervening is perpetuating nudity shaming?

Anyway, my point obviously was that you can object to nudity without being a prude, which is what people here are doing. Jesus christ you can be dense

OccultHawk 11-12-2020 11:05 AM

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So in that hypothetical case you'd just stand and casually watch then suffer, because intervening is perpetuating nudity shaming?
Of course not. If that was Frown’s conclusion- and it’s so common for people to draw false conclusions for others and the weird prevalence of that is a clear shortcoming of modern education (accepting overpopulation is real makes you eugenicist, for example) - it’s a stupid one.

Nonetheless, statues aren’t alive, they don’t have feelings, they can’t be raped but objecting to one because it portrays nudity does make you a prude.

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Jesus christ you can be dense
At least I can see what’s in the ****ing mirror. ****ing blind as bats is what y’all are. It gets old drowning in this stupid ass ****.

At least with the religious right they’re intellectually honest about it.

Marie Monday 11-12-2020 11:13 AM

My rudeness was uncalled for, sorry, long day. But seriously, you have an obsession with unmasking preconceptions and biases which aren't there. Objecting to nudity per se makes you a prude, but that is not what's happening here.

OccultHawk 11-12-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2144121)
My rudeness was uncalled for, sorry, long day. But seriously, you have an obsession with unmasking preconceptions and biases which aren't there. Objecting to nudity per se makes you a prude, but that is not what's happening here.

I think it is but whatever

Frownland 11-12-2020 11:32 AM

Petition to modify all female statues to include a fleshlight in the name of feminism and a wash station in the name of hygeine.


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