M Wollstonecraft: Statues of Women

Lisnaholic · 11-14-2020, 06:03 AM

Quite literally, *googles pareidolia*: that's an impressive word to have at your disposal!

One reason we've disscussed the MW statue at such length is that it seems to embody or lead into a bunch of intriguing-for-some questions:-
The history of feminism.
Do female nudes celebrate women, or send a message that they are vulnerable/available?
How do we represent the past?
To what extent should public art, like statues, educate, shock or entertain us?

But as Elph indicates, a lot has been said about just one statue, which is why I'm grateful that Neapolitan noticed the other half of my thread title: Statues of Women, and showed us a couple of others :-

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Here is another statue I like. The dress looks futuristic. It'a like Marie Curie step through time presenting to us that she holds the mystery of the atom.

Monument to Maria Sklodowska-Curie

I like this one too, and as you say, there's a timeless quality about it.

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150 years after Mary W, in the 1920s, Margaret Sanger was promoting birth control as a road to freedom and equality for women in the USA and became the founder of the controvertial Planned Parenthood organisation - so controvertial that:

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In Boston in 1929, city officials ... threatened to arrest her if she spoke. In response she stood on stage, silent, with a gag over her mouth, while her speech was read by Arthur M. Schlesinger, Sr.[108]

Here's a statue commemorating that brave moment, although it's a museum exhibit rather than a piece of sculpture (I think

) :-

OccultHawk · 11-12-2020, 01:10 AM

It’s what it means by default you ****ing Tipper Gores

adidasss · 11-12-2020, 01:39 AM

Nope. And it doesn't become this because you say so multiple times. Re-read what we've said please.

OccultHawk · 11-12-2020, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Nope. And it doesn't become this because you say so multiple times. Re-read what we've said please.

I get it. Every single objection is about the nudity. Y’all are uptight and not down with the human body and try to justify your anti-sex message with fake feminism.

**Marie Monday** · 11-12-2020, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I get it. Every single objection is about the nudity. Y’all are uptight and not down with the human body and try to justify your anti-sex message with fake feminism.

Wtf man. Objections having to do with nudity are not necessarily anti-sex, thinking that is extremely obtuse. To give a more extreme example: if someone was conditioned to feel extreme humiliation and mortification when being nude in public (like many people unfortunately are) was forcefully stripped of their clothes and exhibited in a public place, they would suffer and I would be angry. That angriness would have to do with the nudity, but only because it leads to suffering. If this person would voluntarily exhibit their naked body I'd consider it badass

OccultHawk · 11-12-2020, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Wtf man. Objections having to do with nudity are not necessarily anti-sex, thinking that is extremely obtuse. To give a more extreme example: if someone was conditioned to feel extreme humiliation and mortification when being nude in public (like many people unfortunately are) was forcefully stripped of their clothes and exhibited in a public place, they would suffer and I would be angry. That angriness would have to do with the nudity, but only because it leads to suffering. If this person would voluntarily exhibit their naked body I'd consider it badass

1) Statues don’t have feelings
2) If someone feels shame when stripped in public it’s because of society has internalized body shaming just like the people in this thread are doing by objecting to nudity. It’s the reinforcement of body shame, however you justify it, that makes being ashamed of your body possible. In the example you give the person intentionally humiliating the victim has been given all their power by the type of beliefs being heralded as some sort of feminism by the puritans in this thread.

**Marie Monday** · 11-12-2020, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

1) Statues don’t have feelings
2) If someone feels shame when stripped in public it’s because of society has internalized body shaming just like the people in this thread are doing by objecting to nudity. It’s the reinforcement of body shame, however you justify it, that makes being ashamed of your body possible. In the example you give the person intentionally humiliating the victim has been given all their power by the type of beliefs being heralded as some sort of feminism by the puritans in this thread.

1. We've been over this
2. So in that hypothetical case you'd just stand and casually watch then suffer, because intervening is perpetuating nudity shaming?

Anyway, my point obviously was that you can object to nudity without being a prude, which is what people here are doing. Jesus christ you can be dense

adidasss · 11-12-2020, 05:10 AM

Nope, you still don't get it, please re-read it again, more carefully this time.

**Frownland** · 11-12-2020, 07:23 AM

TIL that consent is oppression if it gets in the way of my bonk.

OccultHawk · 11-12-2020, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

TIL that consent is oppression if it gets in the way of my bonk.

As usual you have no comeback because what I’m saying is airtight. Your moral hang ups is the oppression. Instead of being snarky and stupid why don’t you try to improve yourself. Get your head on straight.

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11-12-2020, 01:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
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11-12-2020, 01:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,945	Nope. And it doesn't become this because you say so multiple times. Re-read what we've said please. __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

11-12-2020, 05:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,945	Nope, you still don't get it, please re-read it again, more carefully this time. __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

11-12-2020, 07:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	TIL that consent is oppression if it gets in the way of my bonk. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x