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Some things are simple. People think because they enjoy sex they’re pro-sex. No. If you’re pro-sex you don’t get upset about nude representations of the body. If you do your excuses are bull**** and a thousand words don’t change the truth. Same with almost every subject discussed here. **** always gets convoluted in bull**** justifications.
If I wasn’t ok with the statue I’d admit I wasn’t pro-sex but no one else is ever capable of doing that. It’s always wanting to have your cake and eat it too. |
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Know what really burns me up about that picture? Somebody put graffiti on the Sycamore tree. Quote:
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It’s what it means by default you ****ing Tipper Gores
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Nope. And it doesn't become this because you say so multiple times. Re-read what we've said please.
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Nope, you still don't get it, please re-read it again, more carefully this time.
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2) If someone feels shame when stripped in public it’s because of society has internalized body shaming just like the people in this thread are doing by objecting to nudity. It’s the reinforcement of body shame, however you justify it, that makes being ashamed of your body possible. In the example you give the person intentionally humiliating the victim has been given all their power by the type of beliefs being heralded as some sort of feminism by the puritans in this thread. |
TIL that consent is oppression if it gets in the way of my bonk.
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People really advocating that we should drag women out of their homes and parade them naked through the streets to undo their internalized patriarchy smh
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I wouldn't want to shame my rightful property as a man either.
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I can tell that it hurts you to discover that you’re the oppressor.
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Sorry to rob you of your only chance to see pussy by thinking people should be nudists only if they consent to it. Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs yaknow
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Statues can’t consent or object
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Your demands for ideological "perfection" along your shifting baseline is a traditional tool of oppression. Fear of hypocrisy is censorship. |
You’re a rapist because you don’t like the statue.
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To me, this memorial statue is doing its job well: it conjures up Jane Austen, and lets adults and children alike imagine her for a moment: that's how she probably dressed, she loved books, etc. The MW memorial doesn't allow us that link or glimpse of the actual woman Mary Woolstonecraft. Instead, the sculptress has interjected her own ego between us and MW in order to make a statement of some kind: and what's the message of the MW memorial? One take on it is that women are immured in a bag of garbage, but if you look sexy enough, you will be able to rise up triumphantly above all those old, fat, ugly or non-caucasian losers, who the sculptress has represented here by an unflattering bag of spare parts. Even though, as OH points out, MW is dead, it's a commonplace to make "would" statements as if the person lived on somewhere. It's consoling to people who've been shocked by a loss, and it's why we so often hear, at funerals, "He would've been so proud..." In that spirit, my suspicion is that MW would not be proud, but instead is turning in her grave, thinking, "WTF? Why couldn't they put up a nice statue of me in my best bonnet?" |
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2. So in that hypothetical case you'd just stand and casually watch then suffer, because intervening is perpetuating nudity shaming? Anyway, my point obviously was that you can object to nudity without being a prude, which is what people here are doing. Jesus christ you can be dense |
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Nonetheless, statues aren’t alive, they don’t have feelings, they can’t be raped but objecting to one because it portrays nudity does make you a prude. Quote:
At least with the religious right they’re intellectually honest about it. |
My rudeness was uncalled for, sorry, long day. But seriously, you have an obsession with unmasking preconceptions and biases which aren't there. Objecting to nudity per se makes you a prude, but that is not what's happening here.
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Petition to modify all female statues to include a fleshlight in the name of feminism and a wash station in the name of hygeine.
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You mean a fleshlight?
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Ja, stupid autocorrect. It would obviously have fixed lighting unless you brought your own flashlight.
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ok
I’m gonna admit it. I had almost no opinion about this when Lisna posted the story decided to pick a side and then decided to be obnoxiously obtuse about it ****ing sue me It’s a goddamn message board ffs |
I agree with Lisna that the artist (Maggi Hambling) apparently has injected a lot of her own ego into this creation. The everywoman/Wollstonecraft figure is very similar facially to Hambling, imo. Also, I don't completely buy Hambling's claims that the everywoman figure was not intended to depict Wollstonecraft herself (maybe a bit of backpedalling once the criticisms began?). More so than the gratuitous nudity, I'm puzzled that everywoman/Wollstonecraft is so tiny and almost an afterthought in her own tribute, in comparison with the gigantic blob. I don't think the figure resembles a Barbie doll, actually. I read a comment somewhere that the silver paint and body structure evokes the robot in Metropolis - and it suddenly dawned on me that is exactly what it reminds me of!
One thing is sure: Hambling has definitely succeeded in drawing attention to Wollstonecraft with this work. I previously had no knowledge whatsoever of MW. Initially I assumed this was a tribute to MW's daughter, Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - and my first thought was, what happened to the "Shelley"? And then I (ignorantly) wondered if that was the point: to remove her married surname as a feminist statement. :) |
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I voted, OK by me. Seems an oversimplification of a point of view but less thought is, in most cases, better.
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Here is another statue I like. The dress looks futuristic. It'a like Marie Curie step through time presenting to us that she holds the mystery of the atom. Monument to Maria Sklodowska-Curie https://poolemariecurie.org.uk/wp-co...ue-449x600.jpg Quote:
To me it looks a like a trophy with a marble base, abstract art as a riser, and female figure. The whole thing akin to an Oscar award. Between the figure and the base is a strange bit of abstract art that begs to be interpreted. Is it a burning bush with smoke rising? Perhaps a retelling of the Phoenix where the hatched egg burns and rising out of the smoke comes a female figure? Maybe it is suppose to represent an ovary and the figure stands atop a Fallopian tube? Who knows what was running through the mind of the artist when she made the statue. The MW memorial figure departs from concepts found in classic art like e.g. Venus De Milo. The figure's hips are less curvaceous, the stance more rigid than Venus DM. There was this sense of combining sensuality and modesty in classic art. Statues and paintings of females usually present women partially bare, with either long hair or clothing obscuring the more revealing parts. The MW memorial is less sensual however more revealing - baring the woo woo for all to see. I guess that is most contravention part of the memorial. One thing to take into consideration is that third wave feminism (maybe not all but some do) take pride and see nudity (stripping, pole dancing etc) as empowering. There is a sort of an irony to that where first wave feminist fought not to be treated like a sex object. The whole things seems more like the artist's ode to feminism more than a memorial honouring MW. |
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Interesting that ribbons and Marie both see something of a Metropolis robot in the MW statue; that never occured to me. Also very interesting comments, Neapolitan:-
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To my mind, another way to link MW to the present would've been to show the real MW, with her inkpot and quills, sending a message to a modern woman intent on her cellphone. If that idea sounds cheesy, give me the artist's $190,000 and perhaps I can come up with a better one. |
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