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Anteater · 05-01-2020, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Why are blood clots something that could only be produced if it were genetically modified though? Is it just that you think it sounds strange and thus it's not natural?

Also you're wrong about the second part. They know which parts of the sequence have been modified from previous strains. That is precisely how they are able to determine whether said modifications are natural mutations vs genetic engineering. Reread the portion of the article I posted.

Their entire analysis is based on the idea that it was engineered to be some kind of bioweapon, not whether or not it might have tweaked as part of generalized GOF research. You can modify a virus without directly screwing with its genetic sequence. Also-

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Viruses that are changed solely through the action of spontaneous mutations, recombination or reassortment events (even in experimental settings), are not generally considered to be genetically modified viruses.

That's the "gotcha" part that these scientists overlooked.

~~jwb~~ · 05-01-2020, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Their entire analysis is based on the idea that it was engineered to be some kind of bioweapon, not whether or not it might have tweaked as part of generalized GOF research. You can modify a virus without directly screwing with its genetic sequence. Also-

That's the "gotcha" part that these scientists overlooked.

Uh... The virus has a novel genetic sequence and they said specifically that not only is there no evidence that it was modified in a lab but that "no system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

It's really astonishing that you think you've stumbled on some very simple "gotcha" that experts in the field would've somehow overlooked.

WWWP · 05-01-2020, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

It's really astonishing that you think you've stumbled on some very simple "gotcha" that experts in the field would've somehow overlooked.

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Anteater · 05-01-2020, 12:52 PM

jwb, do you know what defines a "genetically modified virus" versus something that doesn't meet that classification? Those scientists were not asked to account for those kinds of questions, but only whether or not there were signs of intentional, specific modification to make it function a certain way. Their conclusions do not take into account what I listed a page or so ago in regards to the definition of a "genetically modified virus".

I'm not disagreeing with their observations on the spike proteins and such. My point of disagreement is the overall conclusion because their conclusion doesn't take spontaneous mutation or the other things I mentioned into consideration.

If the virus they had in the lab was forced to spontaneously mutate (a process where you really can't control the exact outcome) as part of their GOF minutia, then that completely sidesteps everything they talked about in the analysis I read from what you linked me to. It would also explain why the symptoms are so wide-ranging and it's beyond-expected virulence. They forced it to mutate under strict conditions and never had the opportunity to study it afterwards. I doubt anyone working there wanted something they were still in the process of studying to escape.

I'd be more inclined to think less conspiratorially about the situation under other circumstances, but the way that the Chinese government handled the lab, personnel and also warning signs from the U.S. embassy less than two years ago about that lab's lack of procedural care all point to something other than the mainstream narrative.