Anteater

No. The one above I linked was the first one done in Australia before the one that was retracted in Israel due to the plagiarism and the other stuff you pointed out.

The bottom line is that nobody is going to have a real idea if ivermectin actually does or doesn't work until all of these bigger control-group studies finish later this year. The horse memes are funny either way.

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jadis

On Afghanistan, you shouldn't trust the "MSM ghouls", as you called them, due to the obvious reasons (the military-industrial complex).

But in this case, where Big Pharma yields the same degree of power and exerts similar pressures on public opinion, questioning the narrative that rubbishes any medication except an experimental vaccine whose long-term health consequences are unknown and which you have to get a refill of every six months - that makes you a Trumpist?

(putting aside whatever history you two may have, that's none of my business)

The Batlord

So is it one of the preprint studies not really worth considering for medical recommendation cause that's not how science works not that you give a ****?

You've been here like two months? I was here when this idiot was defending Trump for pushing Hydroxychloroquine. Or when he was calling out people for supporting BLM when we should have been supporting Jan 6.

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Bat likes to take bits and pieces of squabbles he doesn't actually remember and then string them together into a convenient strawman when he doesn't get his way. Don't mind him.

I apparently give more of a **** than you, since you keep asking stupid questions instead of using Google for more than 3 seconds.

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And you like to post studies that may or may not be bull**** but either way do not qualify as scientific consensus by the medical community because you have no interest in science, which is why your solutions to any given social ill tend to fall back on science fiction. You might as well be a flat earther.

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Bro, you tried to pull a gotcha on me about a study that was basically "debunked" on technicalities due to language choices (rather than the purported data) and then when I actually point you to the original ivermectin study in Australia that led to all the ongoing studies we have going on in 2021, you say none of that is "backed" up by science....yet the studies are ongoing.

Who are you to talk about science when your best response is just "I guess a hundred plus studies just materialized out of nowhere for no reason whatsoever in a vacuum.". You are acting like a moron who just regurgitates whatever Pfizer wants you to hear, which can be summed up as "X thing is not worth studying because it doesn't make us money". If you cared about science, you'd actually agree with me about what scientists are looking at and why. It's not like there's just one or two ongoing studies here. There's like a 100+, and you can see a big chunk of them here - https://ivmmeta.com

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jadis

Yes, which is one reason I'm not interested in the personal stuff between you and him but in the principle.

It seems to me that people who would normally be very suspicious of information that comes with the US govt's seal of approval are now saying that questioning the narrative that rubbishes any medication except an experimental vaccine whose long-term health consequences are unknown and which you have to get a refill of every six months is white supremacist or something. Suddenly, science is not institutionalized knowledge that's subject to countless political pressures but something you must "believe" or you're a dangerous person.

The Batlord

You are extrapolating a lot. Like why the piss are you bringing up white supremacy? If you have family members you're arguing with on Facebook about this then don't take it out on me.

You're also extrapolating a lot from a study he randomly posted as if publishing a study means we have a new cure. You publish a study. Then it gets peer reviewed. Then you get more studies. Then more peer reviews. Then you get meta analysis of all the studies and then maybe you can talk about having a new thing.

As far as I know the analysis of the studies that has been done has said that ivermectin is not effective at treating covid. And several of the studies, including the big one that was done in Egypt that was the only thing worth hooting about, have been retracted for being dog****.

But if you'd like to take ivermectin cause you heard about it on Joe Rogan or Facebook then knock yourself out.

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jadis

I've seen "white supremacy" used as one of the (perfectly random, imo) cudgels against those who are critical of some aspect of the authorities' handling of the pandemic. I was trying say that the left, of which you seem broadly representative, could use a bit more of their customary suspicion toward the governing institutions, including medicine. But whatever.

I do like the idea that I'm someone who listens to Joe Rogan though. I sometimes wish I would, seems like a fun way of life, but I can't take more than 15 seconds of his voice. He sounds like some guy on the bus who would sit next to you to start a conversation about car insurance rates and crop dusters.

adidasss

So your field is humanities and you are not a leftie? Weird.

Also, since when is the liberal left suspicious of governing institutions? Weren't commies all about big government and nationalization and state run companies and the like and it's actually the libertarians who are the suspicious types?

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