SGR

Good point. I don't trust China's statistics, I definitely think they've fudged the numbers. But I don't think they could fudge the numbers so greatly that it makes a difference to the point (I believe US intelligence would be able to tell at some point that they'd fudged the numbers beyond reason, and I don't trust US intelligence for much *cough* WMDs *cough* incubator babies *cough* Gulf of Tonkin). We could assume they've had ten times the amount of deaths (and they very well may have) and the point still stands. Personally, I think more Americans died than Chinese because we have more unhealthy and obese people than China does.

But yeah, propaganda is hard at work in both countries. They did it! Nuh-uh, you did it first!

It's tiring, and like I said, I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

If the CCP actually believed that the US introduced a virus to them for the sole purpose of destabilization, and many more have died than what they claim, don't you think their response is not proportional to the claim? And if they believed the US introduced a virus to them, wouldn't they inflate the numbers of deaths rather than deflating them?

Frownland

Nah, citizen deaths only matter to the u.s. once it becomes bad pr that they can't rally around. Justifying government expansion, inspiring further anti-Chinese sentiments, and an external factor to use as a scapegoat for the imminent economic downturn could have played a role in planning the bioterrorist attack on top of the classic destabilization move.

Nah, their extreme response tells me that they saw some pretty drastic breakouts.

"Hey world, rising global influence here, just wanted to let you know that we were pretty easily destabilized by another country and this is how."

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Chula Vista

Does "introduced the virus" mean "used it like a weapon against" in the context of the conversation?

Wanna be clear before I reply further.

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DianneW

I believe it happened with the labs doing their testing..happened before and will happen again. They try to solve a problem like this time seems was the bats carrying around these virus's which they have been for yonks and end up being the spreaders of it....My Son had the virus before Xmas and ok he is not so ill and he was never hospitalized, but just not fit enough to return to work....just another stat though and just another figure that dont count.

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rubber soul

Okay, now I think we've reached panic mode. I've done everything asked of me, I wear masks, I keep social distancing, I've gotten my vaccine, I will get the booster when I'm due, probably in January.

But now they're telling me I have to have a Covid test before my next medical appointment. There's a chance I may have to get a heart transplant and now they're giving me even more hoops to go through. Look, I get that the hospital is just trying to protect its staff and patients, but come on, already. There has to come a time when we have to function like normal human beings again.

And for all those morons who refuse to get a vaccine because they think Donald Trump is the second coming of Jesus or something, thus, making life more difficult for those of us that are trying to follow the rules. I'd rather you didn't take the shot. Maybe if enough of you die, you'll leave the rest of us the hell alone!

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Anteater

Everyone could be vaccinated and they'd still making you jump through the same hoops though. Hell, Governor Abbott got the vaccine and boosters that aren't available to the public and he's still getting his ass quarantined as a breakthrough case.

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You're bitching about a COVID test for a heart transplant? If you're gonna be laid up in a hospital for God knows how long I imagine they want to know if you're diseased.

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