Coronavirus: COVID-19

**Frownland** · 05-29-2021, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

So the lab leak origin theory is now getting mainstream attention again.

Somewhat strange that a year ago, you could be censored on social media for humoring the idea and much of the media at large would label you a conspiracy theorist or a peddler of misinformation for supporting the idea.

They'll probably censor reports that it was an american bioterrorist attack on china.

SGR · 05-29-2021, 07:24 PM

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They'll probably censor reports that it was an american bioterrorist attack on china.

Instead of reverting to cynicism and muddying the waters with baseless hypotheticals, care to share your take on its origin?

Anteater · 05-29-2021, 07:25 PM

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It still wouldn't have made him give a sh*t about it ravaging the country. Or would it? If it meant sh*tting on China, would more Americans have taken the lockdown and mask wearing more seriously?

120% yes.

**Exo** · 05-29-2021, 07:29 PM

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120% yes.

That's sad yo.

SGR · 05-29-2021, 07:30 PM

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It still wouldn't have made him give a sh*t about it ravaging the country. Or would it? If it meant sh*tting on China, would more Americans have taken the lockdown and mask wearing more seriously?

Trump did care about it ravaging the country. It was an election year. Purely out of self-interest, he had to have cared. Whether his caring amounted to effective policy is obviously a different question.

I don't think that any investigation at the time could've proven the origin of COVID one way or the other. The situation would've likely gone done in much the same manner that it did in reality. Let's be honest, if Obama was still in office, Republicans would've been even more resistant to wearing masks - probably saying dumb **** like "The communist muslim-in-chief is trying to institute Sharia law!".

The point of trying to determine its origin now is to learn what caused it and adjust accordingly to prevent it from occuring in the future. Whether that means changes/regulations to wet markets or changes/stricter regulations to viral research.

**Exo** · 05-29-2021, 07:32 PM

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Trump did care about it ravaging the country. It was an election year. Purely out of self-interest, he had to have cared. Whether his caring amounted to effective policy is obviously a different question.

Were you, like, not around last year or something?

SGR · 05-29-2021, 07:36 PM

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Were you, like, not around last year or something?

Yeah, in fact I was. Some policies and initiatives worked, others didn't. A whole lot of people died as a result.

Trump gets credit for Operation Warp Speed and the hastened pace of vaccine development and a small amount of credit for shutting off travel from China early (it should've been earlier, but he got a lot of criticism at the time).

Everything else that went wrong falls on Trump's lap, de facto, as he was the President at the time ("the buck stops here" and all). That's one of the big reasons he lost the election.

**Frownland** · 05-29-2021, 07:46 PM

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Instead of reverting to cynicism and muddying the waters with baseless hypotheticals, care to share your take on its origin?

Can't revert to something you introduced dawg. My theory is that if it's found to be of lab origin, it was introduced by the u.s. government to destabilize china. donny is also known for projection so him introducing the accusation pretty early on doesn't help.

SGR · 05-29-2021, 08:00 PM

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Can't revert to something you introduced dawg. My theory is that if it's found to be of lab origin, it was introduced by the u.s. government to destabilize china. donny is also known for projection so him introducing the accusation pretty early on doesn't help.

I still think you're being cynical/contrarian, but if not, you must think the US is completely incompetent.

US introduces virus to China to destabilize the country.

Chinese deaths: ~4,000
US deaths: ~ 600,000

Personally, I don't think we'll ever know for sure what the origin was, given China's resistance to cooperate in efforts to do so.

As an aside, I think Tom Cotton was the first Republican to make claims of lab origin. Trump used it to embolden his hawkish policy towards China, despite the uncertain truthfulness of the claim. Many were turned off on the idea of lab origin given Trump's support of it.

**Frownland** · 05-29-2021, 08:13 PM

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I still think you're being cynical/contrarian, but if not, you must think the US is completely incompetent.

US introduces virus to China to destabilize the country.

Chinese deaths: ~4,000
US deaths: ~ 600,000

It's possible for americans to be dumb dumbs yes. *gestures at forum* Their propaganda machine allows them some room for sloppiness though.

If you trust China's statistics, you have a solid gotcha there.