Originally Posted by OccultHawk

OK Qoomer

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was called upon by the muses for greatness.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm bald, ja.

Originally Posted by elphenor

China didn't really know, the WHO didn't even know yet

the US had no excuse

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was called upon by the muses for greatness.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm bald, ja.

Originally Posted by Anteater

They definitely knew.

NYT - She Chronicled China’s Crisis. Now She Is Accused of Spreading Lies.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I don’t think they’re worse but you know...

The Republican Party has gutted and politicized everything science related that they could force their influence over. Speaking about America in particular we got a lot of work to do to rebuild and make our science institutions trustworthy and authoritative again.

I know I’m drastically changing gears and becoming less dogmatic with this post but we need to get back to being able to trust the EPA and the CDC and the FDA again. I think everyone who’s not insane and me all agree on that.

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

No idea what all those 3 letter acronyms stand for but I believe what you're saying about the republican party trying to mess with science to suit their own ends. But science should be independent of governments anyway, and apart from grants etc. coming form governments, scientific results from universities are just that: they are peer reviewed by an international community of scientists.

Originally Posted by Raime

I'm not making excuses for the West at all. I'm mainly talking about the period before they shut down Wuhan from December to the last week of January. It's dumb to place the blame entirely on China, and who knows what things would be like if the rest of the world knew a few weeks or a month beforehand. China is slow to wake, but they took extreme measures to contain it in their borders when they did act. Countries like the US don't really have the will or backbone to do things like that (for various reasons).

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Despite what President Donald J Trump might have told you or at least implied when he called it the China Virus and the Kung Flu and whatever other attention diverting racist **** he came up with: CHINA CANNOT CONTROL NATURE. It’s not their fault the virus originated there. All they could do was contain it once they figured it out and that’s what they did. The rest of the world is in debt to them for their quick action and good example. Unfortunately, we were too stupid to learn from our intellectual superiors.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It’s simply a lack of willingness to be decent.

Perhaps you noticed the national guard totally shut down DC for the inauguration.

America invests almost a trillion dollars a year on its military. Perhaps they could do **** like deliver food and medicine during a pandemic which is one of the most obvious end results of a terrorist attack and there’s this thing called “homeland security” that’s actually designed to keep the homeland secure. But yeah, there wasn’t anything we could’ve done. We just had to let it “wash through” like President Donald J Trump said.

One thing is for sure though. We didn’t understand germ theory or how viruses spread at the time. Now that we know about this thing in nature called “contagion” next time maybe we can get on top of it.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Don't you know it was created deliberately in a lab and then foisted on the world? Don't you watch Fox and Newsmax?

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was called upon by the muses for greatness.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm bald, ja.

Originally Posted by Anteater

Lol what are you smoking? If China had actually locked down, we wouldn't have seen a single case anywhere outside of Wuhan. If the rest of the world was unprepared, then so be it. But only China had the opportunity to do something before it became everyone else's problem. Your entire argument is based on the premise that the country of origin bears no responsibility when in fact they should be owning 100% of that responsibility. If the U.S. was the country of origin, you'd be making this exact argument to me. Don't be a hypocrite. Vietnam didn't become a den of death only because they did what China would not do.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.