Coronavirus: COVID-19

Raime · 02-07-2021, 04:52 PM

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The West is so salty about Russia and China actually having real science instead of a bunch of dogmatic bull****.

The problem with China was that they were suppressing information about the pandemic when it first started. I know the video I posted was an hour and a half long, but it goes in to detail on why they most likely did so, the problems it caused for WHO and the international community, and the actions Chinese doctors and scientists had to take.

**Marie Monday** · 02-07-2021, 04:55 PM

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Well. These days whatever you believe you can find a scientist with a peer reviewed study to back you up and “consensus” has also been deeply politicized. Hopefully, in America, our current government can rebuild faith in institutions where a typical person can be like ok this is the legit consensus of the scientific community based on what they know at this point. It doesn’t mean like the CDC says it so it’s closed. Science always has to challenge the prevailing ideas to progress. But people still need a legit trusted authority for simple **** like fluoride or how often you should eat eggs what supplements are safe how dangerous is herpes or whatever it is. Right now imo Americans don’t have that. When I was a kid there was corruption but it wasn’t like the complete decay we have now. Right now we’re ****ing lost.

Of course it gets politicized, but I'm not sure about the total lack of concensus. There seems to be a pretty strong concensus among scientists on many things, like global warming, evolution theory, quantum mechanics, whatever some crackpots may be saying.
There is the problem with people finding random statistics to back up their arguments, usually doing things like interpreting statistical evidence as causal evidence. You're probably also right about the lack of a clear scientific authority, and it doesn't help that facts get drowned out by misinformation. I guess I'm just trying to say that you shouldn't give up hope for science, although I don't think that's what you're doing.

Anteater · 02-07-2021, 05:05 PM

China should be held responsible for Covid-19. The fact they even attempted to suppress information, regardless of whether or not they were directly responsible for the virus's creation, is a war crime 50 million times worse than anything the U.S. has done in decades.

OccultHawk · 02-07-2021, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Raime

The problem with China was that they were suppressing information about the pandemic when it first started. I know the video I posted was an hour and a half long, but it goes in to detail on why they most likely did so, the problems it caused for WHO and the international community, and the actions Chinese doctors and scientists had to take.

That’s such a bitch excuse from the west. Whatever the **** they were saying we saw on TV what they were doing

I get that there was a lag between the medical community ringing alarm bells and the communist party acknowledging it but to anyway imply that even remotely compares to incredible and undeniable complete and unrelenting negligence of the west is insane revisionism.

The west was like I wonder why they’re shutting down Wuhan derp derp

Oh Italy’s ICU’s are over flowing with corpses should we do something. Derp.

Oh New York can’t even make room for their dead. Should we close the bars? Derp.

Hundreds of thousand dead should we cancel sporting events? Play ball. Derp. Derp.

OccultHawk · 02-07-2021, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

China should be held responsible for Covid-19. The fact they even attempted to suppress information, regardless of whether or not they were directly responsible for the virus's creation, is a war crime 50 million times worse than anything the U.S. has done in decades.

They took measures to control it while America was actively INTENTIONALLY spreading it. Did you forget President Donald J Trump and all his superspreading GOVERNMENT events. Clearly the rest of the world should’ve protected themselves by nuking this country. Our INTENTIONAL negligence spread it across the planet. China set the example on how to stop it. We were the worst offenders on the planet. Numbers don’t lie.

Anteater · 02-07-2021, 05:36 PM

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They took measures to control it while America was actively INTENTIONALLY spreading it. Did you forget President Donald J Trump and all his superspreading GOVERNMENT events. Clearly the rest of the world should’ve protected themselves by nuking this country. Our INTENTIONAL negligence spread it across the planet. China set the example on how to stop it. We were the worst offenders on the planet. Numbers don’t lie.

Lol what are you smoking? If China had actually locked down, we wouldn't have seen a single case anywhere outside of Wuhan. If the rest of the world was unprepared, then so be it. But only China had the opportunity to do something before it became everyone else's problem. Your entire argument is based on the premise that the country of origin bears no responsibility when in fact they should be owning 100% of that responsibility. If the U.S. was the country of origin, you'd be making this exact argument to me. Don't be a hypocrite. Vietnam didn't become a den of death only because they did what China would not do.

Raime · 02-07-2021, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

That’s such a bitch excuse from the west. Whatever the **** they were saying we saw on TV what they were doing

I get that there was a lag between the medical community ringing alarm bells and the communist party acknowledging it but to anyway imply that even remotely compares to incredible and undeniable complete and unrelenting negligence of the west is insane revisionism.

The west was like I wonder why they’re shutting down Wuhan derp derp

Oh Italy’s ICU’s are over flowing with corpses should we do something. Derp.

Oh New York can’t even make room for their dead. Should we close the bars? Derp.

Hundreds of thousand dead should we cancel sporting events? Play ball. Derp. Derp.

I'm not making excuses for the West at all. I'm mainly talking about the period before they shut down Wuhan from December to the last week of January. It's dumb to place the blame entirely on China, and who knows what things would be like if the rest of the world knew a few weeks or a month beforehand. China is slow to wake, but they took extreme measures to contain it in their borders when they did act. Countries like the US don't really have the capability to do things like that (for various reasons).

OccultHawk · 02-07-2021, 05:47 PM

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Your entire argument is based on the premise that the country of origin bears no responsibility when in fact they should be owning 100% of that responsibility

Despite what President Donald J Trump might have told you or at least implied when he called it the China Virus and the Kung Flu and whatever other attention diverting racist **** he came up with: CHINA CANNOT CONTROL NATURE. It’s not their fault the virus originated there. All they could do was contain it once they figured it out and that’s what they did. The rest of the world is in debt to them for their quick action and good example. Unfortunately, we were too stupid to learn from our intellectual superiors.

OccultHawk · 02-07-2021, 05:58 PM

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Countries like the US don't really have the capability to do things like that

It’s simply a lack of willingness to be decent.

Perhaps you noticed the national guard totally shut down DC for the inauguration.

America invests almost a trillion dollars a year on its military. Perhaps they could do **** like deliver food and medicine during a pandemic which is one of the most obvious end results of a terrorist attack and there’s this thing called “homeland security” that’s actually designed to keep the homeland secure. But yeah, there wasn’t anything we could’ve done. We just had to let it “wash through” like President Donald J Trump said.

One thing is for sure though. We didn’t understand germ theory or how viruses spread at the time. Now that we know about this thing in nature called “contagion” next time maybe we can get on top of it.

Anteater · 02-07-2021, 06:04 PM

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Despite what President Donald J Trump might have told you or at least implied when he called it the China Virus and the Kung Flu and whatever other attention diverting racist **** he came up with: CHINA CANNOT CONTROL NATURE. It’s not their fault the virus originated there. All they could do was contain it once they figured it out and that’s what they did. The rest of the world is in debt to them for their quick action and good example. Unfortunately, we were too stupid to learn from our intellectual superiors.

They sure as **** did. That's what GOF research is all about bud. And if there was really nothing to see at that lab, they wouldn't have been going gangbusters on information suppression.

Also, you are comparing containing the virus to a single prefecture to a country like the U.S. where people are pouring in from multiple points of entry. China didn't set a good example at any point that was actually relevant...well, except maybe in how to effectively "silence" people from whistleblowing.