Norg

usa wont be allowed to use the russian vaxs. thats obvs

SGR

How is that obvious? Just because we have an icy relationship with Russia and our scientists are skeptical of their vaccine's efficacy (as they should be) - do you really think the USA wouldn't use the vaccine if its efficacy is proven?

OccultHawk

It’s hard to say tbh. If American billionaires don’t profit off of it I can definitely see the possibility of it being blocked by politicized and bought health officials. Plus, the misinformation and the years of Putin vilification from the Dems. I don’t know how it would play out. One thing that has already been well-established is that America puts the financial well-being of billionaires in front of the lives of ordinary people.

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How ironic would it be if, after all of the American villification of Russian and fearmongering, they ended up being the country that saves the world from the Virus?

OccultHawk

Russia has so many firsts when it comes to space exploration

That’s borderline irrelevant but you know

How often do you hear Americans talk about winning WW2

If Russia saves the day our propaganda machine will try its best to rewrite the story.

To me it would be more predictable than ironic but I get what you’re saying. How ironic would it be if America got first dibs on the vaccine because Trump hasn’t bowed to Cold War era anti-Russian hysteria?

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Yeah, it is somewhat irrelevant, but Russia has made many great contributions. Of course, they bore the greatest toll in terms of deaths in WW2 - if Tsar Nicholas was still in charge, rather than Stalin, he may not have been as willing to throw every Russian life necessary at the Nazis to stop them.

I get what you're saying with the typical American saying "we won WW2" - Americans often exaggerate our role in WW2, especially when it comes to stopping the Nazis in military confrontation, but I still hold the position (and I think we've discussed this before) that it is very likely the Russians may not have won out against the Nazis without our help in the form of lend-lease - so in that regard, America had a very important role in stopping the Nazis, but most Americans don't talk about that when we discuss how "we won" the war. It's always about invoking images of the brave Americans storming the beaches of Normandy or raising the American flag on Iwo Jima.

I'd agree with that.

That would be nice, but I doubt it. Though Trump verbally (especially before the election) signalled that he wanted to have good relations with Russia and that there's no reason we can't get along with Putin, we've continued to meddle in affairs that involve them against their interest, specifically in Iran and Syria (and also Venezuela, where Trump unsuccessfully tried to push a coup attempt). So I don't think Putin personally thinks very highly of Trump or that his view of America has improved with Trump's administration. That's all on Trump for trusting asshats like John Bolton.

Lisnaholic

What you say is true, but I wouldn't hold out much of Russian altruism helping out any nation. If only we knew someone from Poland, Chechenya or Ukraine, we could get their opinion...

I agree with this too, though I would've agreed even more if you'd squeezed in a mention of the good old Brits too. In the broadest terms, I'd say:-
Russia lost the most soldiers, the USA put in the most money, and the Brits were the Allies who fought the longest, from the very start to the finish of the war.

If I wanted to inspire schoolchildren or make a movie, I might choose those topics too, however spectacular a movie about lend-lease might sound.
(A connected topic that also doesn't get sufficient attention, imo, was the Marshall Plan for rebuilding Europe.)

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The Brits also played a very important role, though I failed to mention them. Just be glad I didn't bring up France.


Yeah, lend-lease isn't exactly Hollywood material - perhaps that's why many neglect it. Much of real history is dry, boring stuff.

Norg

Yes i do the russian vaxs will be banned in the USA unless some people black market smuggle some bottles in i dont see it being used in the states this year or early next

does not matter tho USA will use its own vaxs thats coming down the pipeline soon anyways

thats my point the states has its own vaxs