Coronavirus: COVID-19

OccultHawk · 09-05-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

How is that obvious? Just because we have an icy relationship with Russia and our scientists are skeptical of their vaccine's efficacy (as they should be) - do you really think the USA wouldn't use the vaccine if its efficacy is proven?

It’s hard to say tbh. If American billionaires don’t profit off of it I can definitely see the possibility of it being blocked by politicized and bought health officials. Plus, the misinformation and the years of Putin vilification from the Dems. I don’t know how it would play out. One thing that has already been well-established is that America puts the financial well-being of billionaires in front of the lives of ordinary people.

SGR · 09-05-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It’s hard to say tbh. If American billionaires don’t profit off of it I can definitely see the possibility of it being blocked by politicized and bought health officials. Plus, the misinformation and the years of Putin vilification from the Dems. I don’t know how it would play out. One thing that has already been well-established is that America puts the financial well-being of billionaires in front of the lives of ordinary people.

How ironic would it be if, after all of the American villification of Russian and fearmongering, they ended up being the country that saves the world from the Virus?

OccultHawk · 09-05-2020, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

How ironic would it be if, after all of the American villification of Russian and fearmongering, they ended up being the country that saves the world from the Virus?

Russia has so many firsts when it comes to space exploration

That’s borderline irrelevant but you know

How often do you hear Americans talk about winning WW2

If Russia saves the day our propaganda machine will try its best to rewrite the story.

To me it would be more predictable than ironic but I get what you’re saying. How ironic would it be if America got first dibs on the vaccine because Trump hasn’t bowed to Cold War era anti-Russian hysteria?

Norg · 09-05-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

How is that obvious? Just because we have an icy relationship with Russia and our scientists are skeptical of their vaccine's efficacy (as they should be) - do you really think the USA wouldn't use the vaccine if its efficacy is proven?

Yes i do the russian vaxs will be banned in the USA unless some people black market smuggle some bottles in i dont see it being used in the states this year or early next

does not matter tho USA will use its own vaxs thats coming down the pipeline soon anyways

thats my point the states has its own vaxs

Lisnaholic · 09-05-2020, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Norg

does not matter tho USA will use its own vaxs thats coming down the pipeline soon anyways

thats my point the states has its own vaxs

Problem is that the US vax is being rushed through, cutting corners on important safety checks to get it in before the election. The CDC and the FDA scientists have already capitulated to Trump on questions of politics over science, I believe, so the vax may well have a splash of bleach in it if Trump so orders.
I think I saw a stat yesterday that 42% of Americans wouldn't trust it

OccultHawk · 09-05-2020, 06:28 PM

Yeah. I posted on this way back. The CDC has been politicized. I don’t really know how deep it goes but it’s a huge problem for people who just want to be sane and pro-science. They’re making it so every trusted authority is tainted. It twists up the argument of being pro-science when the science is politicized to fit an agenda. Once you say you don’t trust it they can turn it on you and say you’re anti-science and you’re the conspiracy nut. It’s this hall of mirrors lunacy where one side does this ****ed up **** and then they twist it around to make the other side look like they’re the ones doing the exact same **** that they’re really doing. DeathSantis in Florida does this constantly.

It’s a total cluster**** of misinformation.

Then there’s just blatant flagrant dishonesty that was so obvious like this gem from the surgeon general early on:

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U.S. Surgeon General
@Surgeon_General
Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!

They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!
http://bit.ly/37Ay6Cm

Like I said immediately when he posted that lulzzz they magically work for healthcare workers but not regular people. WTF?

The CDC saying it’s safe to go back to school. WUT????

NFL teams saying they’ll play at 25% capacity. High school football with fans is already being played in the south. They got doctors and pediatricians saying it’s safe. I’m on a ramble but the basic nature of a contagion seems way beyond the ability of even supposedly highly educated Americans to understand.

Still **** like temperature checks in schools. What part of asymptomatic spread is so goddamn confusing?

Dr_Rez · 09-05-2020, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Yeah. I posted on this way back. The CDC has been politicized. I don’t really know how deep it goes but it’s a huge problem for people who just want to be sane and pro-science. They’re making it so every trusted authority is tainted. It twists up the argument of being pro-science when the science is politicized to fit an agenda. Once you say you don’t trust it they can turn it on you and say you’re anti-science and you’re the conspiracy nut. It’s this hall of mirrors lunacy where one side does this ****ed up **** and then they twist it around to make the other side look like they’re the ones doing the exact same **** that they’re really doing. DeathSantis in Florida does this constantly.

It’s a total cluster**** of misinformation.

Then there’s just blatant flagrant dishonesty that was so obvious like this gem from the surgeon general early on:

Like I said immediately when he posted that lulzzz they magically work for healthcare workers but not regular people. WTF?

The CDC saying it’s safe to go back to school. WUT????

NFL teams saying they’ll play at 25% capacity. High school football with fans is already being played in the south. They got doctors and pediatricians saying it’s safe. I’m on a ramble but the basic nature of a contagion seems way beyond the ability of even supposedly highly educated Americans to understand.

Still **** like temperature checks in schools. What part of asymptomatic spread is so goddamn confusing?

I have never understood the backlash against masks. I mean if they didn't help in reducing the amount of **** coming out of your mouth and nose why would every surgeon ever wear one?

OccultHawk · 09-06-2020, 02:53 AM

That was just he wanted healthcare workers to have the first crack at them so instead of just saying that he lied.

OccultHawk · 09-06-2020, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

may have been a good lie, idk

they're also still more about preventing you from infecting someone else

you dont want all your doctor's to get Covid

It was a lie with good intentions but it undermined trust. In country’s where people generally trust the government and are willing to be civilized and caring, like Switzerland and Australia (under 2000 and 1000 deaths respectively), they have fared much better, obviously. America’s inability to engage in sane discourse is obviously problematic. Even on the issue of Trump calling John McCain a “loser” was in context of an election result not his war effort. Sure, I don’t care about McCain in the least, but informed Trump supporters know that the MSM has mischaracterized this quote, intentionally. Then they wonder why Trump supporters constantly complain they’re fake news. It undermines their ability to get coronavirus information out to the very ones that need to be educated.

Lisnaholic · 09-06-2020, 07:17 AM

Fact check: yes, you're right about the "loser" comment, OH:

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