The Jamal Khashoggi case

~~[MERIT]~~ · 10-19-2018, 11:45 PM

I figured out how to view it.

https://archive.fo/a3G7j

grindy · 10-20-2018, 06:14 AM

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If they have their backs against their wall, the Saudis will tell that some of their operatives got a bit overzealous and did it out of their own initiative, without the rulers' knowledge. Then there'll be some kind of show trial for a few of them, the west will grumble a bit and then continue sucking the Saudis' dick like good girl. Case closed.

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adidasss · 10-20-2018, 07:21 AM

Looks like it.

It will be a bit harder to be so openly chummy with a murderous regime, but business will go on as usual, a bit more discreetly I suppose.

Lisnaholic · 10-20-2018, 07:28 AM

^ Yep! The way this saga is unfurling is as predictable as it is depressing. With Trump's inevitable acceptance of the implausable Saudi story we now have the unedifying spectacle of liar agreeing with liar so that the mutually beneficial relationship between the Saud family and the Trump family can continue.

OccultHawk · 10-20-2018, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Looks like it.

It will be a bit harder to be so openly chummy with a murderous regime, but business will go on as usual, a bit more discreetly I suppose.

Remember when Trump said we kill people, too? He was right, you know.

adidasss · 10-20-2018, 07:45 AM

My question is, are there alternative political options that offer a different stance for the situation? I haven't read anything from the US democrats about this, since it seems they were and would want to continue to be quite friendly with the Saudis, I think some elements of the British left want a re-evaluation, but would it really happen? Would the people actually support the cutting of ties with SA if it meant loss of jobs or higher oil prices/cost of living? Not so convinced. :/

adidasss · 10-20-2018, 07:47 AM

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Remember when Trump said we kill people, too? He was right, you know.

Well that's certainly true, but not american people, surely, not critics, or at least not lately...and certainly not in such a shockingly open and gruesome way...

OccultHawk · 10-20-2018, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Well that's certainly true, but not american people, surely, not critics, or at least not lately...and certainly not in such a shockingly open and gruesome way...

Tell that to every American family that lost a member for walking while black.

Lisnaholic · 10-20-2018, 08:19 AM

^ Governments are understandably cautious about suddenly changing allegiances in an area as volatile as the Middle East, so if you're hoping to see any dramatic action I think you'll be disappointed, adidasss.
Long-term, it might be possible to undermine the Saudi's strong global position, and here's how:-

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Voting still brings about change ....vote for parties that promote green energy solutions and the Saudi Oil bogeyman will see his stranglehold on the West declining.

adidasss · 10-20-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Tell that to every American family that lost a member for walking while black.

Apples and oranges brah

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Governments are understandably cautious about suddenly changing allegiances in an area as volatile as the Middle East, so if you're hoping to see any dramatic action I think you'll be disappointed, adidasss.
Long-term, it might be possible to undermine the Saudi's strong global position, and here's how:-

You're probably right Lisna, the region is extremely complicated, and who knows, maybe backing Saudi Arabia is actually the least bad option at the moment. Hopefully, one day, the people will topple all their oppressive regimes and fight for their better future themselves. :/

10-20-2018, 07:21 AM	#63 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Looks like it. It will be a bit harder to be so openly chummy with a murderous regime, but business will go on as usual, a bit more discreetly I suppose. __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

10-20-2018, 07:28 AM	#64 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	^ Yep! The way this saga is unfurling is as predictable as it is depressing. With Trump's inevitable acceptance of the implausable Saudi story we now have the unedifying spectacle of liar agreeing with liar so that the mutually beneficial relationship between the Saud family and the Trump family can continue. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

10-20-2018, 07:45 AM	#66 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	My question is, are there alternative political options that offer a different stance for the situation? I haven't read anything from the US democrats about this, since it seems they were and would want to continue to be quite friendly with the Saudis, I think some elements of the British left want a re-evaluation, but would it really happen? Would the people actually support the cutting of ties with SA if it meant loss of jobs or higher oil prices/cost of living? Not so convinced. :/ __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

10-19-2018, 11:45 PM	#61 (permalink)
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