The #metoo thread (sexual assault and/or misconduct discussion)

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

Take an awkward, relatively unattractive dude who’s probably had little success in sexual advances or outgoing social attempts his entire life and then suddenly make him rich and powerful. That kind of thing will go to someone’s head and I really can’t blame them for it. The psychological implications of this whole thing are really sad to think about honestly. Fame and power can just fall into certain lucky people’s laps and they have no idea what to do with it or how to cope with it. I still firmly believe Louis has a good heart but made some serious mistakes and needs to face some consequences. That doesn’t seem he can never be forgiven or that he can’t still be funny

Pretty much my opinion as well, but with a touch more righteous indignation. Whether or not he has the ability to still be funny doesn't really matter, it's just forever changed the way I look at him and his art - before this came out I wanted to like everything he worked on, whereas now I'll always be resistant.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I don't get how consensual sexual relations is now being considered sexual assault.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Still not sexual assault

THANK YOU. Another person with common sense!

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^ I don't understand why people come into a #metoo thread and argue about what is and isn't sexual assault when the movement is specifically about sexual assault and the victims / assaulters. Help me figure that one out.

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I can only speak for myself. I posited that since Louis C.K. asked permission to masturbate in front of women who agreed, then there was no victim.

They consented, under no threat of violence or harm, probably thinking that doing so would help their career. When it didn't help their career, they cried foul.

Also, I don't think someone masturbating is sexual assault. You have free will to leave at any point.

The Louis C.K. incidents should not fall under the #MeToo category in my opinion.

[Key]

Originally Posted by [MERIT]

I can only speak for myself. I posited that since Louis C.K. asked permission to masturbate in front of women who agreed, then there was no victim.

They consented, under no threat of violence or harm, probably thinking that doing so would help their career. When it didn't help their career, they cried foul.

Also, I don't think someone masturbating is sexual assault. You have free will to leave at any point.

The Louis C.K. incidents should not fall under the #MeToo category in my opinion.

It's a sexual advance towards an individual, so yes, it can fall under the same category.

I also think that is absolutely ridiculous. Had the movement not happened, tons of manipulative actors would still be getting away with sexual assault. Whether or not they are actively doing it doesn't matter. Once you do it, you have to own up to it. And to know that those actors would still be in movies and TV shows while they themselves fully know of what they did and aren't admitting to it? Hell, that's worse.

Speaking once again on the topic of consent. I know for a fact that it's nearly impossible to have many coherent thoughts going through your brain when you realize what is actually happening. The point that you "wake up" and see it is one of the most traumatizing things I can think of. In my experience, I unfortunately had a pretty visible view. But I'm not bringing that up to talk about it. I'm bringing it up to make a point. Yeah, he says they consented, but I don't hear people talking about the mental trauma it puts you through from start to finish. You couldn't begin to understand it because you've never been through it from what I can tell. It's seriously damaging and it's certainly had an effect on my adult life. So the whole mental thing is a serious issue when it comes to this. Don't disregard it because you simply don't believe it exists.

That's all I have to say. We've had this discussion before and frankly I'm surprised you're still allowed to talk about it after what you admitted in the previous thread.

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

I'm surprised you're still allowed to talk about it after what you admitted in the previous thread.

What did I admit? What are you referring to?

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Originally Posted by [MERIT]

What did I admit? What are you referring to?

Everytime someone brings it up you act like you've got no idea what we're talking about. Don't be that guy.

Let's see....victim shaming ring a bell?

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I don't view them as victims. That's the root of it.

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And that is why we cannot continue this discussion. I'm out of it. I've lost all my respect for you.

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I have, and still do, see Louis' actions as wrong, pathetic and inexcusable.