The #metoo thread (sexual assault and/or misconduct discussion)

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

What? Morality isn't worth discussing until it's illegal?

No, I'm just not interested in the conversation.. and if you ask some of our members morality is subjective (aka a useless tool) so all the rapist has to think is that its okay and therefore moral tada.

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

Even a dice roll is predetermined based on how it's thrown, the weight of the dice, what they're landing on, etc.

You can calculate those things all you want until an outside force not accounted for comes in and ****s on your lame definition of predetermined. Are gummy bears with 2 heads predetermined?

[OccultHawk]

rehabilitation should be the primary goal etc

rehabilitation makes us more subservient to the state than torturous public executions ever did

If "we" are our brains, then "we" are the ones controlling our actions. Also, predetermined is not synonymous with predictable.

Brains don’t control themselves any more than rocks do and uh yeah I know what those words mean

No offense man but you’re not ready

You seem to want a discussion but what you need is a lecture or a book

Something where you can’t respond

I know that sounds rude but that’s where you’re at on this

[OccultHawk]

I just don't see where the absolute assurance is coming from

Chemicals don’t make decisions

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

words

So you think if there are a finite set of actions but we are only free to choose which action to take instead of any action we want then we don't have free will?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

For me to call it freewill you'd have to be able to rewind from a cause and effect to before the cause and find just one instance where the event happened differently. Let's take you walking down the street and you stub your toe, shout "****!", and hop up and down on the other foot three times. Now we replay the incident one billion times to see if you shout "****!" or hop up and down four times or step differently so that you don't stub your toe at all. If that never happens and you do the same exact thing over and over and over then does it make sense to say that you have freewill?

Is that falsifiable and would you consider the response to stubbing your toe a choice?

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Brains don’t control themselves any more than rocks do

But they autonomously function and we are them so we are autonomous.

and uh yeah I know what those words mean

Then don't use them synonymously .

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

You can calculate those things all you want until an outside force not accounted for comes in and ****s on your lame definition of predetermined. Are gummy bears with 2 heads predetermined?

Assuming you had an omniscient computer that could calculate literally everything then no outside force will act on anything and the dice roll will be calculated correctly. Just because we don't have such a computer doesn't make anything not predetermined.

Do you think that your brain isn't run on math? Is there a magical force which exempts it from math? At what point does free will begin to act on your brain once math has stepped aside?

[Oriphiel]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Chemicals don’t make decisions

Decisions are chemicals

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

Assuming you had an omniscient computer that could calculate literally everything then no outside force will act on anything and the dice roll will be calculated correctly. Just because we don't have such a computer doesn't make anything not predetermined.

Do you think that your brain isn't run on math? Is there a magical force which exempts it from math? At what point does free will begin to act on your brain once math has stepped aside?

Tell me, does an omniscient computer know the things it doesnt know?

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by elphenor

we have examples of countries that practice rehabilitation first and they're not "more subservient", their governments are held to a higher standard of accountability in comparison

Rehabilitation is the cornerstone of the oppression of everything that makes us subservient

Foucault explains it actually in Discipline and Punish

a panopticon inside a panopticon inside a panopticon

school work

get out of line reform

way out of line punitive reform (rehabilitation)

this is why we’re stuck and the power structure is so stable

[DwnWthVwls]

Answer my question, fruitball.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

words

So you think if there are a finite set of actions but we are only free to choose which action to take instead of any action we want then we don't have free will?