Originally Posted by jwb

Tbh genetics + environment determines literally everything lol. That's pretty broad.

I don't doubt some people are actually pretty much born gay or straight I just think there are also plenty of people in the middle who are mostly straight but through experimentation develop sexual proclivities that weren't there before. That's the category I feel I fall into.

I've always been attracted to girls since I was 5 years old and I did gay **** with my friends when I was young but there was nothing sexual about it at all. There was when I messed with girls though. It took me meeting someone who was actually gay but in the closet when I was like 14 to start experimenting sexually with gay **** and actually like it. Then about 2 years of denial before I realized I was bi.

But I think there's a difference between being bi cause you experimented your way into it vs being gay where you only like the same sex. I've heard theories like with hormones in there womb could cause homosexuality and that there's noticable differences between an average gay males brain vs a straight males brain.

But that still doesn't explain bisexuals. And also I've heard the same thing about trans... That trans women have brains that have features which more closely resemble cis women than cis men. But that's literally the game thing I heard about gay guys, yet they aren't trans women. And none of that explains the non binary types...

So I think there are inherited traits that make one more likely to skew gay or straight, trans or cis. But it's not black and white determinism imo. Experiences also shape your perception.

Like how you aren't born liking milfs or bbws or s&m... Your exposure to certain experiences shifts your sexual predilections while at the same time your inherent nature makes you more or less open to said experiences but then so does your social conditioning.

Originally Posted by ribbons

Speaking only for myself here: I have always known I was bisexual, in that I have had romantic/sexual attraction to both sexes throughout my life. I've known and felt it strongly despite the fact that I’ve never engaged in same-sex “experimentation” (I was married to a man for many years, was with him since age 19 and did not have any sex before then, and was monogamous during the marriage). I don’t think one necessarily has to “experiment” to come to the conclusion that that one is bisexual. You can be bisexual and know that you are bisexual without having acted on it. Just as some people can realize they are straight, gay, or lesbian before having sexual relations. I think it’s a very common misconception that most bisexuals are actually heterosexuals who are just experimenting. Granted, there are certainly people for whom bisexual behavior is experimental; but bisexuality is a legitimate sexual orientation for others – and that’s the way it is for me.

Originally Posted by jwb

Fair enough

I wasn't trying to imply that bisexuals are necessarily not able to be sure of their sexuality from an early age, though I can see in retrospect how it might've sounded like that.

With regard to experimentation...I would question your assertion there a bit. I don't think virtually anyone develops into sexual maturity without doing some experimenting that shapes their trajectory. Marie's example only adds to my point imo... Experimenting with boys and not liking it is very much still experimenting that shapes your current conception of your sexuality. Not all experiments are successful... Otherwise it wouldn't be an experiment. Imo.

Originally Posted by jwb

Fair enough

I wasn't trying to imply that bisexuals are necessarily not able to be sure of their sexuality from an early age, though I can see in retrospect how it might've sounded like that.

With regard to experimentation...I would question your assertion there a bit. I don't think virtually anyone develops into sexual maturity without doing some experimenting that shapes their trajectory. Marie's example only adds to my point imo... Experimenting with boys and not liking it is very much still experimenting that shapes your current conception of your sexuality. Not all experiments are successful... Otherwise it wouldn't be an experiment. Imo.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

You sound like Buffy after they dragged her back from Heaven.

Originally Posted by WWWP

I want to open a school for MB's lost boys and teach them basic coping skills and build up their self esteem and strengthen their emotional intelligence and teach them about vegetables and institutionalized racism and sexism and then they'll all build a bronze statue of me in my honor and my bronzed titties will forever be groped by the grubby paws of you ****ing whiny pathetic white boys.