The queer corner

~~jwb~~ · 12-08-2020, 12:02 AM

Averages are all there ever are though. Once again pointing out anomalies is not a refutation of a trend.

~~jwb~~ · 12-08-2020, 12:17 AM

No it's not. Men and women are visibly distinguishable the vast majority of the time. In terms of physiological differences, the fact that some women are taller than some men or more athletic that some men is just a function of the fact that there's also a spectrum within each sex based on these categories... So the high end of the female spectrum overlaps with the low end of the male spectrum.

~~jwb~~ · 12-08-2020, 01:21 AM

Humans are smart, except when they have an extra chromosome

Elph is in extra chromosome mode

**Marie Monday** · 12-08-2020, 06:45 AM

Isn't sexually dimorphic that there are discrete differences instead of a continuous scale, like the colour of ducks? That doesn't apply to humans, apart from sexual organs.
I don't see what the point is though. What does it matter whether male and female sex are distinguishable or not?

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Originally Posted by elphenor

90s media taught me all it takes is a slender build and long blonde hair on a guy for an awkward transphobia bit to occur

Well of course. I'm a cis girl but its not like that has ever mattered to anyone who is intending to discriminate. What point is that supposed to prove though, it just means that the hostility depends on how people perceive you instead of who you are, and it sets in as soon as you don't conform to gender norms.

OccultHawk · 12-08-2020, 07:41 AM

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we'd all look in nature

As opposed to where?

~~jwb~~ · 12-08-2020, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Isn't sexually dimorphic that there are discrete differences instead of a continuous scale, like the colour of ducks? That doesn't apply to humans, apart from sexual organs.
I don't see what the point is though. What does it matter whether male and female sex are distinguishable or not?

not necessarily. All it means is this:

distinct difference in size or appearance between the sexes of an animal in addition to difference between the sexual organs themselves.

Some instances of sexual dimorphism are more obvious than others but there are often scales within the sexes of sexually dimorphic species. Male lions are bigger on average than female lions but also some m male lions are bigger than other males and the same with females. Birds with distinct color patterns in the males can vary from male to male etc.

As for whether it applies to humans, we have lower levels of sexual dimorphism compared to some other species but still pronounced enough to be both recognizable and relevant:

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Sexual dimorphism refers to differences in size and shape between females and males of the same species. The term sexual dimorphism is usually used only for the secondary sexual characteristics, which are unrelated to reproduction. Some examples of sexual dimorphism include differences in stature, weight, morphology of the face, cognitive development, mortality, and disease prevalence. Although humans exhibit low levels of sexual dimorphism compared to other animals, differences between females and males are numerous. Evolutionary, sexually dimorphic traits develop through the process of sexual selection. Furthermore, mating system, body size, gender roles, and quality of environment also play an important role in determining the levels of sexual dimorphism. Sexual dimorphism has an important place in biological anthropology. In bioarchaeology and forensic anthropology, morphological and metric traits are used to estimate sex of the skeletal remains, while in studies of human evolution the level of sexual dimorphism is used to reconstruct social behavior. Generally, the majority of studies tend to focus on adults, because sexual dimorphism is not well pronounced before puberty.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...same%20species.

**Marie Monday** · 12-08-2020, 10:55 AM

Oh sure in that case it's fair to say humans are dimorphic

~~jwb~~ · 12-09-2020, 03:38 AM

Which exists outside of nature apparently

Are beehives and ant colonies unnatural? Cause they cooperate on a level we could hardly dream of.

Psy-Fi · 12-09-2020, 06:59 AM

India's rape laws don't cover transgender people

~~jwb~~ · 12-09-2020, 11:30 AM

lol I also said bees

It's true though. Social organization is part of nature.

12-08-2020, 12:02 AM	#821 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Averages are all there ever are though. Once again pointing out anomalies is not a refutation of a trend.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	No it's not. Men and women are visibly distinguishable the vast majority of the time. In terms of physiological differences, the fact that some women are taller than some men or more athletic that some men is just a function of the fact that there's also a spectrum within each sex based on these categories... So the high end of the female spectrum overlaps with the low end of the male spectrum.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Humans are smart, except when they have an extra chromosome Elph is in extra chromosome mode

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Which exists outside of nature apparently Are beehives and ant colonies unnatural? Cause they cooperate on a level we could hardly dream of.

12-09-2020, 11:30 AM	#830 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	lol I also said bees It's true though. Social organization is part of nature.