The queer corner

~~jwb~~ · 12-02-2020, 11:53 PM

Gender predates white colonialism by such a wide margin lol

It's like you guys just say **** you think sounds woke for the sake of it

Bottom line is if you divorce gender from any associated characteristics it loses its meaning by definition. Dysphoria would be similarly meaningless without this association.

**Marie Monday** · 12-03-2020, 02:55 AM

Yeah some of this sounds like AI-generated wokeness posts

~~jwb~~ · 12-03-2020, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

social construct is not an ambiguous term

Life is a social construct.

Social construct in itself isn't necessarily ambiguous but the way it's used can be misleading. Like saying gender isn't meaningless but it's a social construct. What is your point?

~~jwb~~ · 12-03-2020, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elphenor

what's your point?

gender is made up of a series of arbitrary characteristics that both change with time and vary culture to culture

try
reading the posts I'm responding to for a clue on what my point is.

Lucem Ferre · 12-03-2020, 10:46 AM

Why do we poop sitting on a toilet instead of over a toilet?

Lucem Ferre · 12-03-2020, 10:47 AM

Sometimes I really just insist on saying some stupid ****, don't I?

~~jwb~~ · 12-03-2020, 11:45 AM

I don't want to create another evolutionary rabbit hole discussion but we don't see things the same. I think some attributes are more cultural than others. The more ubiquitous an attribute is across cultures the less it appears to strictly be arbitrarily learned behavior to me.

As for gender abolition... I think people intuitively categorize the world around them as pattern seeking creatures, and so long as there is a spectrum of attributes that people have, these categories will exist conceptually.

So if you and many other people happen to have more masculine tendencies, that will manifest itself as a conceptual category regardless of whether you use the word "man" to describe it. If we all became uniformly androgynous then gender would actually be abolished by having no conceptual or useful meaning. I don't see that as a likely direction we're headed in.

WWWP · 12-03-2020, 01:38 PM

I agree with you in that humans will always categorize themselves and others, there's no switching that off, it's how our brain processes inormation, and so, even with the absence of language we will see groupings of similar behaviors or outward presentation. I wonder if these "identity" categories that have become such an important part of the Larger Conversation are simply just an overcorrection - exploring gender identity and sexuality has never been something valued in our society, so by asserting your identity and your alternative pronouns and knowing the definitions of all the new jargon and setting unreasonable expectations for everyone outside of your group to adhere to these new rules, you're taking back some of that power and reclaiming space and refusing to live the "DADT," "I don't mind it I just dont want to see it in public stop shoving it down our throats" lives that so many before have. It would be going backward to resign to letting the System remain in tact.

**Marie Monday** · 12-03-2020, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWWP

I agree with you in that humans will always categorize themselves and others, there's no switching that off, it's how our brain processes inormation, and so, even with the absence of language we will see groupings of similar behaviors or outward presentation. I wonder if these "identity" categories that have become such an important part of the Larger Conversation are simply just an overcorrection - exploring gender identity and sexuality has never been something valued in our society, so by asserting your identity and your alternative pronouns and knowing the definitions of all the new jargon and setting unreasonable expectations for everyone outside of your group to adhere to these new rules, you're taking back some of that power and reclaiming space and refusing to live the "DADT," "I don't mind it I just dont want to see it in public stop shoving it down our throats" lives that so many before have. It would be going backward to resign to letting the System remain in tact.

I think that's how it works yeah, that's a good explanation. And jwb's comments about gender abolition not being possible are exactly why we need the gender expansion compromise

WWWP · 12-03-2020, 05:07 PM

People HATE having grey areas.

12-02-2020, 11:53 PM	#791 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Gender predates white colonialism by such a wide margin lol It's like you guys just say **** you think sounds woke for the sake of it Bottom line is if you divorce gender from any associated characteristics it loses its meaning by definition. Dysphoria would be similarly meaningless without this association.

12-03-2020, 11:45 AM	#797 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I don't want to create another evolutionary rabbit hole discussion but we don't see things the same. I think some attributes are more cultural than others. The more ubiquitous an attribute is across cultures the less it appears to strictly be arbitrarily learned behavior to me. As for gender abolition... I think people intuitively categorize the world around them as pattern seeking creatures, and so long as there is a spectrum of attributes that people have, these categories will exist conceptually. So if you and many other people happen to have more masculine tendencies, that will manifest itself as a conceptual category regardless of whether you use the word "man" to describe it. If we all became uniformly androgynous then gender would actually be abolished by having no conceptual or useful meaning. I don't see that as a likely direction we're headed in.