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Old 03-06-2023, 02:44 PM   #1611 (permalink)
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Big spender over here.
I mean come on they invented Corn Flakes to stop mental patients from masturbating cause that was apparently the most pressing concern. Do you really think the people who created the modern prison system were more concerned with safety than regulating the morality of the underclasses?
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 03-06-2023, 03:04 PM   #1612 (permalink)
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Maybe not but i just think all those forms of sexual segregation are in place to protect women, not men. Maybe the original rationale was different but if we were to debate getting rid of those forms of segregation today the arguments in favor of not doing so would all center around either protecting women from men physically or giving them their own sports leagues so they can compete, etc.
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Old 03-06-2023, 03:12 PM   #1613 (permalink)
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Maybe not but i just think all those forms of sexual segregation are in place to protect women, not men. Maybe the original rationale was different but if we were to debate getting rid of those forms of segregation today the arguments in favor of not doing so would all center around either protecting women from men physically or giving them their own sports leagues so they can compete, etc.
And my point is that regardless, "protecting women" is either a post-hoc rationalization or a feint to cover for more insidious pseudo-moralizing. If there's an actual problem then it can be dealt with as an actual problem rather than concern trolling about imaginary boogeymen.
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Old 03-06-2023, 03:18 PM   #1614 (permalink)
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Old 03-06-2023, 04:09 PM   #1615 (permalink)
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And my point is that regardless, "protecting women" is either a post-hoc rationalization or a feint to cover for more insidious pseudo-moralizing. If there's an actual problem then it can be dealt with as an actual problem rather than concern trolling about imaginary boogeymen.
I don't think it's as important as you do what the original rationale was. What's more important to me is the pragmatic purpose it currently serves. I'm sure there are all sorts of things we still use that were created based on outdated thinking but we still use them if they work.

So the more interesting question is what are you saying, that there's better ways to organize it and address those problems than sexual segregation? I can't really tell where you stand.

I think like I said they only protect women so it won't affect me if they integrate any of this ****, but I can see why they might want to keep it separate.

But it depends on which issue we mean. I think the bathroom thing could fairly easily be integrated if we had a less prudish society but again, I also think it would be primarily women who have a problem with it.

As far as prisons go, men's prison is so much more of a violent place than women's prison. It feels like throwing lions and gazelles into the same prison.

As for sports, I really could care less. Do steroids. Take hormones. Get CTE. Anything to win!
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Old 03-06-2023, 06:42 PM   #1616 (permalink)
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What you've just described sounds almost as boring as American football.
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Regardess of whether this person is incarcerated - even if this was the trial beforehand - my belief is the word "transgender" should not scream from the headline, certainly not right beside "rapist".
This is a similar tactic of like Fox News where they want to scare their audience and shock them with outrage. I agree with you that it TG doesn't need to be included but of course they want to rile up a certain audience.

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soccer hockey lacrosse etc
I was in agreement until you mentioned hockey. Hockey is kind of exciting for all the rough checking that goes on but yeah other net sports are pretty boring/lame.

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Now stay with me. The thing the article is pearl clutching about is the possibility of this trans woman raping other women in prison. If pressed the writer would presumably claim she was not bigoted towards trans people and only concerned with public safety. Therefore for them to not just be a bigot they should also be concerned with rape in prison in general.
that's disingenuous and giving that writer more credit than it's worth.

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I agree, as I said. I'm just saying that the title, the headline, misrepresents the actual crime. I don't have an opinion on whether trans people who commit crimes should be incarcerated in men's or women's prisons - I really don't know, and I agree with you that it could be problematical either way. All I'm concerned with though is that the headline is clickbait and will attract the far right crowd and the hatemongers and they'll all point the finger.
You are right to be concerned about that because that was their intention.
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Old 03-06-2023, 07:48 PM   #1617 (permalink)
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Old 03-06-2023, 11:19 PM   #1618 (permalink)
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I don't think it's as important as you do what the original rationale was. What's more important to me is the pragmatic purpose it currently serves. I'm sure there are all sorts of things we still use that were created based on outdated thinking but we still use them if they work.

So the more interesting question is what are you saying, that there's better ways to organize it and address those problems than sexual segregation? I can't really tell where you stand.

I think like I said they only protect women so it won't affect me if they integrate any of this ****, but I can see why they might want to keep it separate.

But it depends on which issue we mean. I think the bathroom thing could fairly easily be integrated if we had a less prudish society but again, I also think it would be primarily women who have a problem with it.

As far as prisons go, men's prison is so much more of a violent place than women's prison. It feels like throwing lions and gazelles into the same prison.

As for sports, I really could care less. Do steroids. Take hormones. Get CTE. Anything to win!
Again, you're assuming there's an issue in need of dealing with. Going on hormones has a massive effect on just about every part of a trans person, from their mental to their emotional to their physical state. The conservative narrative takes for granted that men and women are completely unchangeable and that therefore a trans woman is just a standard dude in drag, which is absolutely not the case.
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So you're saying you agree with the segregation but not by sex but by gender identity instead? Or would you completely integrate any of these institutions?
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Again, you're assuming there's an issue in need of dealing with. Going on hormones has a massive effect on just about every part of a trans person, from their mental to their emotional to their physical state. The conservative narrative takes for granted that men and women are completely unchangeable and that therefore a trans woman is just a standard dude in drag, which is absolutely not the case.
Yup. Even when I was living and presenting as male, I was never what anyone would call masculine. Trans healthcare and being able to exist as my real identity has completely removed everything about me that conservatives would consider to be masculine traits.* Obviously not every trans woman is me, but in my experience most of us want nothing to do with manhood.

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