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Old 06-19-2022, 06:36 PM   #1371 (permalink)
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Not sure what this one’s about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibj87fwRaM

but it appears to have been filmed in part at the same location as


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t07hF_GXds
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Old 06-19-2022, 09:21 PM   #1372 (permalink)
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Tbh I think trans men and women who... "commit" to their "chosen" gender are just going to get more traction at least with non-psychos for the same reason bisexuals aren't taken as seriously as straight up homosexuals. Providing a clear distinction helps to crystallize in people's minds an alternative. So basically not being taken as seriously is probably just going to happen.

Not really advice just a perspective.

Thanks, I actually appreciate the honest perspective. It's not the end of the world if people don't understand it.


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Sorry to be of little help other than to suggest many of those you’d like to comprehend your gender fluidity would require years of psychotherapy to even begin to understand. The trick is to learn who you can be open with and who the mere act of being yourself would place you in danger.

As to the bashers many psychotherapists who’ve had ‘queer bashers’ referred to them by the courts learn the majority are repressing their own ambiguous sexual identity.


That's true, as they think of us as having body dysphoria so it would take a long time for them to understand what gender fluidity is. I certainly believe the 'anti gay' rhetoric is absolutely projecting their own sexual desires.


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Oh ok! I don't really have advice unfortunately. I agree with what Charles says, people like to think in stupid boxes. And also related to what Ayn Marx says, people don't like these ideas of fluidity because acknowledging that may lead to scary introspection. At least you spread awareness

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink lol.
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:36 AM   #1373 (permalink)
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As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink lol.
Indeed, but if you get the horse drunk enough they can pretend they didn’t know what they were doing.
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:50 AM   #1374 (permalink)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-g...es_in_Chechnya
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Thanks, I actually appreciate the honest perspective. It's not the end of the world if people don't understand it.
It can easily become the end of your world if you get sprung in a fundamentalist muslim country, or Russia or China and many parts of Africa.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...orst-countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-g...es_in_Chechnya

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Old 06-22-2022, 05:51 PM   #1375 (permalink)
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On the other hand - - - -

https://historycollection.com/these-...homosexuality/


All the Periods in History When Homosexuality Was Celebrated & Embraced” David Sharp, Ranker. n.d.

“If you say being gay is not African, you don’t know your history” Bisi Alimi, The Guardian. September 2015.

“The idea that African homosexuality was a colonial import is a myth” Bernardine Evaristo, The Guardian. March 2014.

“Homosexuality in ancient Rome” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. November 2018.

“Women’s Legal Rights in Ancient Egypt” Janet H. Johnson, Fathom Archive. 2002.

“Ancient Egyptian Sexuality: Life in Ancient Egypt” Caroline Seawright, Tour Egypt. August 2013.

“China’s Misunderstood History of Gay Tolerance” Yuxin Zhang, The Diplomat. June 2015.

“Homosexuality in Japan” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. November 2018.

“LGBT history in Uganda” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. June 2018.

“Mwanga II of Buganda” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. March 2018.

“Zande” Eva Gillies, UCLA. n.d.

“Imbangala” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. January 2018.
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I believe homosexuality was derided by many as Greek degeneracy infiltrating Roman society. I don't know how it was perceived throughout all 1000 years of the Republic and Empire but Rome was at least more conservative and prudish than it gets credit for.
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This video says Romans only thought it was gay to bottom lol. The whole country was running on prison rules.

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Old 06-23-2022, 12:46 AM   #1378 (permalink)
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This video says Romans only thought it was gay to bottom lol. The whole country was running on prison rules.

One of the mysteries of the male heterosexual so called mind is how, given the right circumstances, they can efficiently produce an erection at the sight of another male’s rear.
Another mystery is how this branch of our species are so frequently ignorant of the erotic potential of their own prostate glands.
Add to this the rigidly repressed history of male/male sexuality during wartime and we have more contradictions than drag queens often taking an active role.

We are indeed a very strange species.
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Old 06-23-2022, 02:47 AM   #1379 (permalink)
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One of the mysteries of the male heterosexual so called mind is how, given the right circumstances, they can efficiently produce an erection at the sight of another male’s rear.
Another mystery is how this branch of our species are so frequently ignorant of the erotic potential of their own prostate glands.
Add to this the rigidly repressed history of male/male sexuality during wartime and we have more contradictions than drag queens often taking an active role.

We are indeed a very strange species.
I realize you may not actually think it's a mystery and it's just interesting writing/hyperbole, but I've anyways opted to take your statement at face value and reply accordingly.

So to me, what you describe about enticing same-sex rears is not a mystery. We're social mammals and there's nothing in our biology that says males shouldn't have sex with other males, like homosexuality in so many other social mammals (like the famous giraffes where most of a male's sexual encounters are homosexual in nature). From a biology point of view, it seems reasonable to think that sexual relations between men would be promoted in many situations because it could strengthen bonds, promote cooperation (our specialty) and generally help satisfy various needs. I actually get the impression that males are more likely to be sexually compatible with other males (in terms of wants/desires, etc) than with women. As you point out, there's even a prostate gland that enjoys attention. In my opinion - in the absence of any culture/conditioning that says otherwise, the thought or act of homosexual activity should be expected to, by far, potentially turn most men on.

Heterosexuality is just a human concept. It's not written in our DNA and when fantasy meets reality, parts of fantasy can melt away. Our sexuality, if you look at sexuality under intense scrutiny, doesn't actually fit into these neat categories. Generally speaking for heterosexuals, there are potential situations where they'd enjoy homosexual activities or possibly even romantic relationships with other same-sex individuals. Maybe, if society was different, they would.

If I'm to use society's general descriptors for myself, then I am a heterosexual man. I've never been in love with another man and 99% of my fantasies are about women. However, there are a very few men I've found attractive and I assume part of those 99% can be explained by society's conditioning. I have actually had a couple of homosexual encounters that were enjoyable for me. If I was free to do so, I wouldn't mind exploring that more with the right partner.

I don't think that's the norm, so what might set me apart from perhaps most other heterosexual guys is I think of sexuality as very rough descriptors and don't internalize it into my own identity. I am not homophobic, am fairly liberal and want to have enjoyable experiences. So I don't think I'm different in a fundamental way from most heterosexual guys, I just have a different way of thinking about it.

What I think is most mysterious or interesting is why we create memes (as in moral codes, religious commands, beliefs) that control various aspects of our lives in seemingly detrimental ways, especially when it comes to sexuality. I have some inklings and one is that things that control our most basic urges seem powerful and feel important to us, like celibacy or perhaps fasting. These memes compete against other memes (gay is wrong / gay is okay are general competing memes), but for some reason the bad ones sometimes get ahead in competition with more tolerant ideas. I find that to be a very fascinating topic in general.
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I don't think it's that much of a mystery. We're social mammals and there's nothing in our biology that says males shouldn't have sex with other males, like homosexuality in so many other social mammals (like the famous giraffes where most of a male's sexual encounters are homosexual in nature). From a biology point of view, it seems reasonable to think that sexual relations between men would be promoted in many situations because it could strengthen bonds, promote cooperation (our specialty) and generally help satisfy various needs. I actually get the impression that males are more likely to be sexually compatible with other males (in terms of wants/desires, etc) than with women. As you point out, there's even a prostate gland that enjoys attention.

Heterosexuality is just a human concept. It's not written in our DNA. When fantasy meets reality, parts of fantasy can melt away. Our sexuality, if you look at it under intense scrutiny, doesn't actually fit into these neat categories. Generally speaking for heterosexuals, there are potential situations where they'd enjoy homosexual activities or possibly even romantic relationships with other same-sex individuals. Maybe, if society was different, they would.

If I'm to use society's general descriptors for myself, then I am a heterosexual man. I've never been in love with other men and 99% of my fantasies are about women. However, there are a very few men I've found attractive and I assume part of those 99% can be explained by society's conditioning. I have actually had a couple of homosexual encounters that were enjoyable for me. If I was free to do so, I wouldn't mind exploring that more with the right partner.

I don't think that's the norm, so what might set me apart from perhaps most other heterosexual guys is I think of sexuality as very rough descriptors and don't internalize it into my own identity. I am not homophobic, am fairly liberal and want to have enjoyable experiences. So I don't think I'm different in a fundamental way from most heterosexual guys, I just have a different way of thinking about it.

What I think is most mysterious or interesting is why we create memes (as in moral codes, religious commands, beliefs) that control various aspects of our lives in a seemingly detrimental way, especially when it comes to sexuality. I have an inkling - things that control our most basic urges seem powerful and feel important to us, like celibacy or perhaps fasting. These memes compete against other memes (gay is wrong / gay is okay are competing ideas), but for some reason the bad ones sometimes get ahead in competition with other more tolerant ideas. I find that to be a very fascinating topic in general.
Well put but the question remains why so many males are not only homophobic but actually terrified by the mere idea. I have one theory and it’s a wild jump. Men I’ve known more often than not regard the female of our species as inferior. Therefore to even contemplate something like taking the so called passive role in male/male sex is to ‘lower’ yourself to the level of a chic/sheila/bird/. I’m only guessing here.
Not that I’ve found it a problem over the decades having found more than enough males willing to dance the bedroom tango.
I even had a relationship for two years with another man and two women. Hard to explain other than suggesting our bedroom tango was an ‘eight way’. Think about it.
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