English or Spanish. (rock)

sikoholickkouboi · 08-19-2005, 09:18 PM

Good, don't post here again, then. Geezus.

tdoc210 · 08-19-2005, 09:19 PM

rock opera hahah sorry couldnt help myself HES A PINBALL WIZARD THERES GOT TO BE A TWIST PINBALL WIZARD!

sikoholickkouboi · 08-19-2005, 09:21 PM

huh?

tdoc210 · 08-19-2005, 09:23 PM

^ god its pinball wizard from the movie tommy by the who its a rock opera here is the definition of a rock opera - a movie/play which is a huge compilation of rock songs composed for that specific play/movie

Merkaba · 08-19-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sikoholickkouboi

First, let me say I am NOT a racist and despise racism in ALL forms. That being said, first and gotten out of the way, I was just wondering what people thought of the following. How everything in America seems to be asking "English or Spanish" nowadays. I agree with Hispanic immigrants right to keep their own culture, but if you plan on LIVING here longer than a tourist, you should at LEAST have enough respect for our culture to just learn the language. Is that ignorant of me to say that the question English or Spanish shouldn't be so widespread here? If they don't even have that much respect for our culture coming here to TRY and fit in a little slightest bit, why bend over backwards to accomodate them? If that makes me sound ignorant, please tell me why. Someone.

I think its pretty arrogant. Say you really wanted to go somewhere, maybe just for a holiday, but you don't know the local language. How would you feel if you went to that country and everyone looked down on you for not knowing their language? You got no help, no respect, no chance to enjoy their country because no one would help you find your feet. I would personally hate it. Countries may as well put a big sign up saying "No one can visit our country without knowing our national language and national anthem fluently". It just won't happen and its stupid to winge just because the country is offering a help to visitors.

Besides, it would be the countries loss if it ignored other peoples cultures.
It's the old adage, "Treat others the way you would want to be treated".

sikoholickkouboi · 08-19-2005, 10:34 PM

Look, I'm not trying to continue this here. My brother works at Taco Bell, though, and on more than a few occasions some acted annoyed that he couldn't understand them. I agree Americans need to learn more languages, but I think they should be more encouraged to learn English. Americans (black, white, and non-Spanish speaking immigrants who are still perfecting English here) should not have to learn Spanish to talk to them at work or in public, given that they've had forever to learn it. Tourists are a different story. If you're gonna LIVE somewhere, it's not the same thing. I just think it's rude to the others, no matter what nation, not just America. But why is it ONLY 2 languages? I'd be pissed if I were Korean and the illegal aliens (not saying all Mexicans, just many) who didn't even plan on staying here were being treated better than those who immigrants that immigrated here on the up and up.

sikoholickkouboi · 08-19-2005, 10:34 PM

Oh, and I wasn't trying to continue this, but if people keep reviving this thread, I will.

SATCHMO · 08-20-2005, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sikoholickkouboi

Like I didn't know that. Most kids growing up now didn't go through that (a few gens ago) and I don't see them jumping at the bits to relearn their "old" ancestrial language. Why? Because the past was the past, f*cked as it may have been, and they grew up with this one. No ****, what you mentioned was wrong. I can't help the unfortunate acts of the past, but this is now. I can only concentrate about now. Look, I said I was gon drop this anyways, unless YOU got something else to add.

The point of my comment was to show that African Americans were Forcibly put into a situation where learning english was vital to there survival, so it is not an apt comparison.

sikoholickkouboi · 08-20-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

The point of my comment was to show that African Americans were Forcibly put into a situation where learning english was vital to there survival, so it is not an apt comparison.

Yes, and my point is to quit living in the past. Regardless of that, which WAS screwed up, today's gen of black youths (a couple removed since then and now entrenched and raised in English and American culture) weren't forced to anything and are too comfortable speaking English, to learn something Mexican immigrants grew up with. There are still serious problems with racism today, but the language has evolved to be "american" and has nothing to do with that. They should learn our language before vice versa as newcomers. I do think more Americans need to be bi/mulitlingual, but it's rude as hell for guests in ANY nation to expect the "natives" to learn theirs and not vice versa. I thought most people here wanted to quit this thread, anyways.

tdoc210 · 08-20-2005, 09:23 AM

^ hey rock operas are better than racial disputes

08-19-2005, 09:19 PM	#52 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	rock opera hahah sorry couldnt help myself HES A PINBALL WIZARD THERES GOT TO BE A TWIST PINBALL WIZARD! __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

08-19-2005, 09:23 PM	#54 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	^ god its pinball wizard from the movie tommy by the who its a rock opera here is the definition of a rock opera - a movie/play which is a huge compilation of rock songs composed for that specific play/movie __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

08-20-2005, 09:23 AM	#60 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	^ hey rock operas are better than racial disputes __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

08-19-2005, 09:18 PM	#51 (permalink)
sikoholickkouboi Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	Good, don't post here again, then. Geezus.

08-19-2005, 09:21 PM	#53 (permalink)
sikoholickkouboi Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	huh?

08-19-2005, 10:34 PM	#56 (permalink)
sikoholickkouboi Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	Look, I'm not trying to continue this here. My brother works at Taco Bell, though, and on more than a few occasions some acted annoyed that he couldn't understand them. I agree Americans need to learn more languages, but I think they should be more encouraged to learn English. Americans (black, white, and non-Spanish speaking immigrants who are still perfecting English here) should not have to learn Spanish to talk to them at work or in public, given that they've had forever to learn it. Tourists are a different story. If you're gonna LIVE somewhere, it's not the same thing. I just think it's rude to the others, no matter what nation, not just America. But why is it ONLY 2 languages? I'd be pissed if I were Korean and the illegal aliens (not saying all Mexicans, just many) who didn't even plan on staying here were being treated better than those who immigrants that immigrated here on the up and up.

08-19-2005, 10:34 PM	#57 (permalink)
sikoholickkouboi Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	Oh, and I wasn't trying to continue this, but if people keep reviving this thread, I will.