English or Spanish.
 

First, let me say I am NOT a racist and despise racism in ALL forms. That being said, first and gotten out of the way, I was just wondering what people thought of the following. How everything in America seems to be asking "English or Spanish" nowadays. I agree with Hispanic immigrants right to keep their own culture, but if you plan on LIVING here longer than a tourist, you should at LEAST have enough respect for our culture to just learn the language. Is that ignorant of me to say that the question English or Spanish shouldn't be so widespread here? If they don't even have that much respect for our culture coming here to TRY and fit in a little slightest bit, why bend over backwards to accomodate them? If that makes me sound ignorant, please tell me why. Someone.

I mean what's next? 5,000 questions for every transaction just to be PC and cater to every group?

Why would it hurt you to learn a new language too?

It wouldn't, and I plan on doing it. (I'm gonna learn a few languages once my main college courses are out of the way) But being as English is the prime language of the nation, they should try to fit in, just as if I were to live in Mexico for even one year. I'd then learn Spanish out of RESPECT, especially if I were paying virtually no taxes and had so many advantages/luxuries. Are we going to ask 50 other languages also? What about Japanese for all the Japanese immigrants?

you said it yourself

The PRIME language of the nation , not the ONLY language of the nation.

If they can`t speak english it`s their problem not yours. I don`t see why you`re so mad about it.

Yeah, but we don't cater to every other group. The closest thing to a universal language to make things simpler is the PRIME language of the nation. Like this job I had at a restaurant. The guys could speak no English and didn't want to learn. They joked that I'd have to learn Spanish working there. Why? I speak the common language here. I have no problem learning theirs, but if one of us should be first to learn, it should be them, since they came here as outsiders originally. If I moved to ANY nation, I'd consider it RESPECT to know at least that much, if not anything else. We don't cater to any other languages this much. I just don't see why we bend over backwards where this is concerned, when we don't do it for other languages and groups.

i agree that imigrants should learn the language of the country they imigrated in, but hey, if they can get along without it who cares....

dude i dont think it really matters/is something you should get that worked up about... if people dont want to learn, thats their problem, it doesnt affect you... its not like youre the one who cant understand people when theyre talking to you... i agree with urban...

If I was working in a foreign country with all english people don`t you think i`d speak english to them regardless of where I was?

Why should they all speak english to each other just to accomodate you?

another way to respect our culture and our country is to come to this country LEGALLY damnit.....all the f.uckin immigrants that arent even citizens..there gettin drivers lisences and our jobs. i say find every illegal immigrant and shove thier assees back over the border

It was an ITALIAN restaurant and half to a 2/3 of the people DIDN'T speak Spanish. Just certain employees. That would be EVERYONE ELSE accomodating and working around them, the way I see it. I see too much of this. If we're to cater to any immigrants, why not Asian immigrants? My brother told me that even other Mexicans have told him the following, which is the difference between most other immigrants and Mexican immigrants. Most other immigrants try to either BE part of or contribute something to society. Most of the Mexicans don't really give a DAMN to be here, and still have family back home whom they're sending money back to. They're just here to temporarily take advantage and, in my opinion, should have EQUAL TAXATION as the rest of us. And they're at the top of the list to who we're catering to why again? Not to sound pissy, but if they care so little about us, why do we treat them so special? That's my beef.

Not to blame them for taking advantage. I'd do THE SAME THING in their shoes, as far as the money goes (though I'd have a little respect for those that gave me such opportunities). I just don't think America should let this continue.

^totally agree. bush pays lip service to protecting our borders, but when it comes to mexico hes all buddy buddy w/vicente fox(mexico's president) for some reason. im a bush supporter, but he has definitely fallen short on this issue.

^ far too true.

I have plenty of Spanish friends. They have come here legally and are currently learning English and adopting American customs while at the same time exposing me to Mexican, el Salvadorian, and Columbian culture. that's how it should be.

Right good lord send em all back

Yeah because all Americans are hard working & honest too, right ?

^haha working honest hardly

Americans are a bunch of arrogant elitist pigs. Did we care what language that Mexicans spoke when we stole a large portion of their country away from them and made it ours. Some of you act like English is the indigenous language of this country. There's not a Mexican alive that doesn't have more of a right to be here than any so-called American does.

i think us americans should have too speak the language of the native american tribe in the area that we've taken over i live in america and im not proud i mean f.uck america were evil controlling and arrogant we drive out millions of indians just so we can modernize. and then of course our nations presidents have sent them into camps, sent smallpox diseased blankets to them to kill them off.the indians have the most right to live here than us. i say screw america give it back to the indians and the world would be better off with out our country

Face reality!
 

When Europeans came to North America did they learn the Native American language? My point is this-- what ever population is dominant, their language will be spoken. The Hispanic population is dominant in several parts of the US now. Wishing can't make it different. It would be a good idea for all of us to learn to speak Spanish if we want to be working 20 years from now...

:clap: Well said.

the same thing has been done in both americas aswell as australia and new zealand, i think that central and south america ( except brasil ) were just lucky they had a much bigger indian population, that's why their culture survived ( Peru even has the indian language as an official language! ), also toledo was the first indian to be elected president in Peru, the indians ( or native americans , which ever way you prefer it ) are coming back in style, also, watch out, i hear the population of native americans in the US is growing steadily so watch out!
also, about the language thing, i think sikoholickkouboi's opinion is only valid when it comes to immigrants, i don't think that the indigenous minorities should learn how to speak the language of the majority ( the indians in mexico for example, the basks in spain and so forth....)

Elitist pigs? Generalize much? I hate Bush and the stereotypical average dumb American and ignorance as much as many and am liberal in many views (more in the middle actually). I even would have rather died as a "race traitor" with the Indians had I lived way back then, and still died with self-respect. Truth be told, I'm all for a universal language, but until that happens, it should be seen as a sign of respect to know at least enough to converse with what the majority of the nation speaks as a common language in most businesses and public places. If many Americans moved to France, and somehow figured a way to milk the system, but wanted no part in being "multicultural" or learning anything about them or their country even including enough French language to just say a few things, I would most definitely not expect them to start kissing our @sses (we'd be demonified). How come we never see "English or Japanese?" questions anywhere since they at least try to fit in more often or act like they give a damn to AND usually don't come here illegally?

Regardless of America's f*cked up pastEnglish may as well be an indigenous language here, like Spanish would be in their home nation. Many Mexicans and even many other non-Mexican minorities come here and learn at least that much. If they are a tourist, it's different, otherwise they should be treated as EQUAL citizens including taxation. I would like to see the Native Americans be given back a lot more than what they have. And I never said that Mexicans didn't have as much right to be here. Just learn to communicate with people like say, me, if you are going to live and work here. Be multicultural. I'd have no problem, the other way around, whatsoever.

I fully agree there. I just meant immigrants to "foreign lands", though.

Thanx.

well im half hispanic, my dad came to america, legally, from colombia wen he was 4 or 5, and evry single person in his family learned to speak english, a lot of his family came here... BUT i dun think that evry immigrant should learn to speak english, if they wanna learn they should learn, but if they dun who cares, its there problem, pretty soon the minority will be whitey...

^ haha im gonna move to fu,cking canada cause i hate america

Yes, well most BLACKS here speak ENGLISH, too, today. It's not just a "white thing", it's a popular language thing. So, you don't think immigrants to OTHER nations shouldn't bother to learn the language as newcomers or does this JUST apply to America? We'll just have to disagree here, I guess. I think you're blinded by your rage against "the white man". Newsflash. Just because the powerful ones have f*cked things up, not ALL of us (esp. mid-to-lower class) are bad. If you wanna say "whitey" because of slaveowners and Nazis and history, you can say "n!ggers" because of gangbanging pimps and friendly neighborhood drug dealers. Ignorant stereotypes apply to ALL races. I wouldn't piss on a country that let me get away with so much **** on a silver platter like the Mexicans do, though. So, you hate whitey (sorry about some **** before I was born that I had nothing to do with and can't change- oh yeah- skin color don't link me to those idiots, so NO I DON'T!) "Do it for the BLACK English speaking Americans" then. LOL.

And regardless of whether you think immigrants should learn the new language of wherever, I think that AMERICA shouldn't cater to anyone who doesn't give a damn about the country. So, some of you just wanna bitch about what's wrong with America. If they're against it, they could help the liberals here FIGHT for change if they just learned the language. I'm not saying it should be a necessity for every immigrant to learn (though they should if they're gonna live here), but when so many come here just to rape the system and basically be anti-social and not contribute anything, we shouldn't cater to or encourage them so much to keep coming and going. No special treatment is all I'm saying.

Noone said anything about my comment on Asians. There are MANY Asians here too. Why are we not catering to them, too?

i think you have a lot of surpressed anger , for someone living in such a culturaly diverse country you have a lot of problems with a lot of races and nationalities....and i think it's fairly obvious, despite your PC retoric, that you are a frustrated white surpremasist....

I do have a lot of suppressed anger. I have just as much hatred for most whites here in America, though. You haven't heard my "religious right" rant or others yet. I have some problems with probably about EVERYONE these days. But, it boils down to opinion, still at the core, irregardless. How does that make me "white supremacist"? Just because I'm a white guy who has the balls to say some **** and ain't so agreeable with the liberals 100% that I'm a complete pussy who HATES ALL of my own race? I don't have a problem with anything except special treatment for people who don't give a damn about this country (white, black or whetever) or to stay here. I don't think it should be a requirements of ANY immigrant (white, black, asian or any other race) to learn the native language, esp. if they are getting things SO damn good. If they wanna come here legally and become citizens with EQUAL TREATMENT AND TAXATION, I have no problem. This is just my opinion. Like I said, I hate MANY hateful "casual Christians" over here, too, which MANY of are *gasp* white. I'd expect the same moving to the any other country and wouldn't WHINE about it.

"I don't think it should be a requirements of ANY immigrant (white, black, asian or any other race) to learn the native language, esp. if they are getting things SO damn good."

Meant to add, that though it obviously shouldn't be a forced requirement, they should learn out of respect for the new "home".

i know many mexicans that have come here illegally and none of them are good people. they are drug dealing/using, booze drinking, woman beaters. i certainly hope that the majority of them arent like that.

^ yes me too

:laughing:

Any hatred I ever had for you just dissapeared , good post mate.

:clap:

I'm not for pampering minorities that spit on us, so I'm a "white supremacist"? English is spoke by BLACK Americans too(ie: not a "white" thing, an American thing). Your comment holds no water. You just have your liberal goggles on and can't see that the truth is in the middle.

How dare those bastards come in , take your ****ty jobs & ugly women

im not racist at all, and so wat black people speak english wats that have to do with the minority being white??

You're just putting words in my mouth. "A lot of problems with a lot of races and nationalities"? My only problems I mentioned were with Mexicans, blacks and whites in the US. That's the ONLY people I had problems with. The problem with whites is made obvious at every turn. A black man can have objective opinions on blacks, whites or anybody. A white man can only say **** about his own, letting others get away with what's truthfully STILL racism or people like you guys will call HIM a racist just for having an opinion that's a little controversial. I NEVER said I hated any race, just certain actions and things.

I didn't mention anything negative about Asians (who, IF ANYONE, should be getting special treatment WAAAYY before Mexicans), Middle Easterners, or others at all. I don't really mind what they do so much as what we (America) are doing by encouraging them. Other minorities wanna stay here and are more honest.

1. The problem with whites is obvious to anyone who's heard an ounce of history. Many thinking the world revolves around them and living in an ignorant bubble and many still holding positions of power and the Mumia situation, Nazis, KKK and so forth. I think EVERYONE gets the point here. Though, I STILL think the English language has evolved WAAAY beyond being a "white" thing in this day and age, because blacks AND most other immigrants who ACTUALLY plan on staying here speak it or learn.

2. I have one thread saying Mexicans are the last of the immigrants that should receive special treatment, given the many others who actually want to live and stay here and (whom a lot more of) move here LEGALLY.

3. I had another thread trying to debunk the MYTH that black people can't be racist. That attitude only pisses off and turns away innocent would-be ally whites that did nothing by being juvenile. Whites had/ve power and opportunity, but blacks are just as guilty of the attitude of racism as anyone else is.

A white guy can't say something controversial on an objective note or a buncha pussies will start calling him a racist. How was ANYTHING I said racist? Ya know, whatever.
http://www.bondinfo.org/media/press/05/pr_04-28-05.htm

And I hate people make comments like you mentioned, also. I'm no conservative by a longshot. I'm against ALL racism (and special treatment), homophobia, religious hypocrisy and mixing with politics, and discrimination in general. If I was something other than American, I wouldn't be getting so much ****. ANY immigrants SHOULD learn, whether they're moving to America or the South of France. We have waaay more than just TWO languages here, also. Why I don't get this.