So, do I belong here or not?

OccultHawk · 07-29-2018, 05:12 PM

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Don't worry, Hawk, I'm leaving and I won't be coming back.

‘preciate it

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

But the fact that I carefully made a point to clarify "in america" with my points over rides your nit picking argument on the terminology.

and I didn't address you. I quoted and responded to Batlord.

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 05:13 PM

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No. What the hell kind of argument is that.. If I move from a bad neighborhood to one where everyone is chill as **** and I don't even need to lock my doors does that mean I have some sort of privilege in the new happy place? or are the people just better human beings?

By definition that is a privilege.

The Batlord · 07-29-2018, 05:13 PM

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Yeah I thought I made it clear that I'm not denying the idea.. It's the terminology I don't like, which is all I've said.

I understand it's not specific, but if we just called it "majority privilege" nobody would care. For better or worse "white privilege" has people talking and it's because the race with privilege is being called out and it's accomplishing things. The people open to the phrase are talking, the people offended are talking, and in general the basic idea is entering the public consciousness in a way that it wouldn't if it were more general. I think this will accomplish far more in the long run than using some boring phrase nobody in society will ever actually care or even hear about.

Trollheart · 07-29-2018, 05:14 PM

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That has nothing to do with anything so I'll just ask you again if you've ever honestly looked into the idea of white privilege without actively trying to disprove it or just watching Youtube videos of people who are trying to disprove it.

If you think that nobody has ever given you a good explanation of white privilege and why it exists then it might be because it's an abstract concept that's very hard to point to with a smoking gun. So maybe you should seek the information and opinions out yourself instead of declaring victory over a concept that is very easy to denigrate by people who have a vested interest in nitpicking it (i.e. white people who don't want to feel guilty about anything).

You really, really, really want to be black, don't you? I bet you think of yourself as a black man trapped inside a white man's skin.

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It's a stupid term.. it implies that white people as a whole have a distinct advantage and all the arguments use specific examples. There is nothing inherently advantageous about being white skinned. It is entirely dependent on where you live. So why not be clear and discuss how white americans have privileges over other minority americans instead of using some lame race baiting generalization? That's really what you mean when you use the term.

All I can say is that when people become homeless here because the bank repossesses their house when they can't keep up the mortgage payments, being white doesn't turn out to be any sort of an advantage. Just as many white people as other races are homeless tonight in Dublin, probably more so.

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Because they dominated the battlefields historically? Where does white privilege exist where whites are the minority?

There is a difference between someone with money being able to have privilege over the poor and a societal structure where if your white you have a better chance of succeeding within it.

I'd have to point out South Africa during Apartheid as an example? At least, a past one.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I understand it's not specific, but if we just called it "majority privilege" nobody would care. For better or worse "white privilege" has people talking and it's because the race with privilege is being called out and it's accomplishing things. The people open to the phrase are talking, the people offended are talking, and in general the basic idea is entering the public consciousness in a way that it wouldn't if it were more general. I think this will accomplish far more in the long run than using some boring phrase nobody in society will ever actually care or even hear about.

Yup, just shows how much progress we still have to make when we can't talk about the reality of problems without using race baiting language and dramatic terms.

**Frownland** · 07-29-2018, 05:24 PM

^Being nitpicky to avoid addressing the bigger picture of the argument is pretty boring.

The Batlord · 07-29-2018, 05:24 PM

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Yup, just shows how much progress we still have to make when we can't talk about the reality of problems without using race baiting language and dramatic terms.

But it's also a culture specific concept. You could call it American White Privilege and I'd say good on you, but it's not called that and we just have to live with it and argue the idea in the hope that people who wouldn't believe in it no matter what you called it would get it through their skulls. It's still a concept with overlap no matter where you live in Western Society given our shared history. It's one of those, "just deal with it" things.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 05:27 PM

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^Being nitpicky to avoid addressing the bigger picture of the argument is pretty boring.

There's nothing to address. I agree with the idea, but I'm allowed to complain about why I think it's bad terminology. Similar to how I think it's stupid when people talk about god like it's the universe. We have words to describe that already stop adding on to them and making them unclear to the broader audience. It's just muddying the water. Thanks

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 05:30 PM

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Yup, just shows how much progress we still have to make when we can't talk about the reality of problems without using race baiting language and dramatic terms.

Majority privilege is a completely misleading term that tip toes around the idea that it's a racial topic. Pointing out that places like Japan and Africa don't have the same race relations as us does not mean that it's not racial. Yes, majorities do tend to have some kind of advantages where ever you go, but right here in America the reasons are completely out of racial bias. It's not a religious issue, it's not a political identity issue, it's not not a cultural issue, it's not an ethnicity issue it's an issue completely motivated by racial biases. So calling it white privilege is the best way to address this because there are plenty of other majorities in this country who are not affected by the same biases.

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