So, do I belong here or not?

The Batlord · 07-29-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I don't go on facebook and stage campaigns around it. I'm having a discussion with a few forum people. Sounds to me like at least Batlord agrees with my assessment.

Well, I see and understand and to a degree agree with your point, but we're talking about prejudice here, and in effect that means we're talking about race, so you need to acknowledge the racial issue absolutely 100%.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Majority of this country is Christian, for one. While yes, that does often offer some sort of bias towards Christians there really isn't nearly as big of a bias for them as there is towards white people.

Youre comparing apples and oranges. Christians have christian privilege over every other religion in this country.

You can't compare the majority privileges of two different things. Whatever majority thing you are associated with in a society will give you a privilege within whatever connections that thing has in society.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Well, I see and understand and to a degree agree with your point, but we're talking about prejudice here, and in effect that means we're talking about race, so you need to acknowledge the racial issue absolutely 100%.

Can you quote me arguing this?

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Can you quote me arguing this?

I'd say calling the term 'white privilege' race baiting is you arguing it. Wanting to re-frame it as 'majority privilege' is tip toeing around addressing race and implies that you don't think race should be evoked.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 06:49 PM

I don't think race should be evoked. I think race should be one of MANY things evoked, because just being white is not the only reason that white people have "white privilege" in America. Pretty sure Batlord just finished explaining that to you.

Like I said before, majority privilege + tribalism + a whole lotta history and nuance..

The Batlord · 07-29-2018, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Can you quote me arguing this?

No, I'm simply stating that I don't see you arguing for either American or European white privilege and it's important that you do, and it's important for other people who might be agreeing with you who might be disagreeing with the concept of white privilege as a whole to understand the racial aspect, and you should be making this clear. All I see you arguing is the terminology but if you agree over the general racial aspect then you should be arguing it in the same way you might argue over man made global warming because both are important.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

No, I'm simply stating that I don't see you arguing for either American or European white privilege and it's important that you do, and it's important for other people who might be agreeing with you who might be disagreeing with the concept of white privilege as a whole to understand the racial aspect, and you should be making this clear. All I see you arguing is the terminology but if you agree over the general racial aspect then you should be arguing it in the same way you might argue over man made global warming because both are important.

Idc about that. I was ranting about the terminology. Who exactly am I supposed to be arguing with? We all agree it exists, nothing left to argue about but the terminology.

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I don't think race should be evoked. I think race should be one of MANY things evoked, because just being white is not the only reason that white people have white privilege in America. Pretty sure Batlord just finished explaining that to you.

Like I said before, majority privilege + tribalism + a whole lotta history and nuance..

You literally just contradicted yourself, more so poorly worded that statement.

What's being ignored is that lower class white people aren't facing the same discrimination as lower class black people. They are not being unfairly judged based on race, they are not being targeted by police like black people, they are not being as harshly judged over crimes as black people, etc. So while classism is a problem in this country that needs to be addressed, it's not as strong as the racial bias.

Edit: and majority of the population isn't upper class so that defeats your 'majority privilege' argument as well.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 07:04 PM

I think you're just reading what you want at this point. Good talk.

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I think you're just reading what you want at this point. Good talk.

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