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DwnWthVwls 07-29-2018 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1981856)
Well, I see and understand and to a degree agree with your point, but we're talking about prejudice here, and in effect that means we're talking about race, so you need to acknowledge the racial issue absolutely 100%.

Can you quote me arguing this?

Lucem Ferre 07-29-2018 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1981858)
Can you quote me arguing this?

I'd say calling the term 'white privilege' race baiting is you arguing it. Wanting to re-frame it as 'majority privilege' is tip toeing around addressing race and implies that you don't think race should be evoked.

DwnWthVwls 07-29-2018 05:49 PM

I don't think race should be evoked. I think race should be one of MANY things evoked, because just being white is not the only reason that white people have "white privilege" in America. Pretty sure Batlord just finished explaining that to you.

Like I said before, majority privilege + tribalism + a whole lotta history and nuance..

The Batlord 07-29-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1981858)
Can you quote me arguing this?

No, I'm simply stating that I don't see you arguing for either American or European white privilege and it's important that you do, and it's important for other people who might be agreeing with you who might be disagreeing with the concept of white privilege as a whole to understand the racial aspect, and you should be making this clear. All I see you arguing is the terminology but if you agree over the general racial aspect then you should be arguing it in the same way you might argue over man made global warming because both are important.

DwnWthVwls 07-29-2018 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1981863)
No, I'm simply stating that I don't see you arguing for either American or European white privilege and it's important that you do, and it's important for other people who might be agreeing with you who might be disagreeing with the concept of white privilege as a whole to understand the racial aspect, and you should be making this clear. All I see you arguing is the terminology but if you agree over the general racial aspect then you should be arguing it in the same way you might argue over man made global warming because both are important.

Idc about that. I was ranting about the terminology. Who exactly am I supposed to be arguing with? We all agree it exists, nothing left to argue about but the terminology.

Lucem Ferre 07-29-2018 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1981862)
I don't think race should be evoked. I think race should be one of MANY things evoked, because just being white is not the only reason that white people have white privilege in America. Pretty sure Batlord just finished explaining that to you.

Like I said before, majority privilege + tribalism + a whole lotta history and nuance..

You literally just contradicted yourself, more so poorly worded that statement.

What's being ignored is that lower class white people aren't facing the same discrimination as lower class black people. They are not being unfairly judged based on race, they are not being targeted by police like black people, they are not being as harshly judged over crimes as black people, etc. So while classism is a problem in this country that needs to be addressed, it's not as strong as the racial bias.

Edit: and majority of the population isn't upper class so that defeats your 'majority privilege' argument as well.

DwnWthVwls 07-29-2018 06:04 PM

I think you're just reading what you want at this point. Good talk.

Lucem Ferre 07-29-2018 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1981875)
I think you're just reading what you want at this point. Good talk.

What am I skipping over?

DwnWthVwls 07-29-2018 06:07 PM

My point, mostly.

Lucem Ferre 07-29-2018 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1981878)
My point, mostly.

Which one?

Edit: What exact bit of writing do you think I'm not addressing or that I'm ignoring?


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