So, do I belong here or not?

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

It's a stupid term.. it implies that white people as a whole have a distinct advantage and all the arguments use specific examples. There is nothing inherently advantageous about being white skinned. It is entirely dependent on where you live. So why not be clear and discuss how white americans have privileges over other minority americans instead of using some lame race baiting generalization? That's really what you mean when you use the term.

But for what ever reason majority of the places where the majority isn't white and whites face racial discrimination typically happen to be 3rd world countries. That's probably just a coincidence, though.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 05:41 PM

If you want to speak generally it's majority privilege + tribalism with whole lot of history and nuance.. it's not white privilege.

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If you want to speak generally it's majority privilege + tribalism with whole lot of history and nuance.. it's not white privilege.

Then why are most first world nations on the planet white when majority of the global population isn't white?

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 05:44 PM

Because they dominated the battlefields historically? Where does white privilege exist where whites are the minority?

There is a difference between someone with money being able to have privilege over the poor and a societal structure where if your white you have a better chance of succeeding within it.

**Frownland** · 07-29-2018, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

It's a stupid term.. it implies that white people as a whole have a distinct advantage and all the arguments use specific examples. There is nothing inherently advantageous about being white skinned. It is entirely dependent on where you live. So why not be clear and discuss how white americans have privileges over other minority americans instead of using some lame race baiting generalization? That's really what you mean when you use the term.

It's not inherent. The context of whitey being the majority is what makes it a reality

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The Batlord · 07-29-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

It's a stupid term.. it implies that white people as a whole have a distinct advantage and all the arguments use specific examples. There is nothing inherently advantageous about being white skinned. It is entirely dependent on where you live. So why not be clear and discuss how white americans have privileges over other minority americans instead of using some lame race baiting generalization? That's really what you mean when you use the term.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If you want to speak generally it's majority privilege + tribalism with whole lot of history and nuance.. it's not white privilege.

Why are you bothering to make the distinction? You recognize the reality of the situation, yes? You recognize that whites in America have real advantages over minorities so why do you care about the term "white privilege"? We're not talking about China, we're talking about at the very least America where the term "white privilege" is important and not using it would ignore the racial aspect. It's not like we're talking simply about class, we're talking about race and its relation to class.

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 05:51 PM

Because the term begs for clarity when discussing it with non-Americans.. why are you bothered that your reality is different from Europeans?

Lucem Ferre · 07-29-2018, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Because they dominated the battlefields historically? Where does white privilege exist where whites are the minority?

But white privilege is not about being biologically predisposed to succeed, it's about being culturally predisposed to succeed based on skin color. And yes, it's very regional which is why I was careful enough to speak only on America.

But on a global scale you can think of the fact that most first world nations are predominately white despite the fact majority of the population isn't. Pointing out the history that caused white privilege doesn't debunk white privilege.

And can you name a place on the globe where white people face as many disadvantages because of their race?

DwnWthVwls · 07-29-2018, 05:56 PM

Yes I can. Everywhere that white people are not the majority.

You think the son or daughter of some random white family in Mexico has some societal advantage over all the Mexicans? Like they're going to higher them because they are white?

The Batlord · 07-29-2018, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Because the term begs for clarity when discussing it with non-Americans.. why are you bothered that your reality is different from Europeans?

I'd imagine the same idea would apply in different forms to Europeans. I'd need more information to talk about their reality but it's not a mentality that's specific to Americans, it's specific to every race in every country on Earth. I imagine there's a version of White Privilege that applies to China but it would probably be called Han Privilege. And why fight the terminology when the idea is what is important, especially when the idea itself is being fought simply on the basis of terminology by whites? I don't see you fighting for the idea but also talking about terminology, I see you simply talking about the terminology. This is why it is important to specify "White", because the race in question needs to be confronted.

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