Today I Learned...

OccultHawk · 05-13-2019, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Lulz

In my experience, not being able to write for **** usually translates to not being able to communicate for ****, usually in the form of jarbled ass sentences. Also, given that speach is meant to communicate ideas, wouldn't a standardized system yield better results?

*speech

**Frownland** · 05-13-2019, 07:46 PM

*whoosh*

OccultHawk · 05-13-2019, 07:48 PM

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Put what you like in a text to a friend, but if you're writing for a medical journal, your work will only be accepted if it is in correct formal language. Students should be aware that in many professions their ideas will be rejected if they are not expressed in the accepted syntax. However much you may disagree with that notion morally, we should prepare students for that rl attitude if we can - by teaching them the rules of grammar they will need for professional/academic writing.

Yeah. We agree. I just grew weary over time.

Language is never static though.

Lisnaholic · 05-13-2019, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

*speech

^ LOL Surely a delicate and painstaking PM to Frownland would be kinder. Fancy calling him out like that in front of everyone!

The Batlord · 05-13-2019, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Lulz

In my experience, not being able to write for **** usually translates to not being able to communicate for ****, usually in the form of jarbled ass sentences. Also, given that speach is meant to communicate ideas, wouldn't a standardized system yield better results?

The ability to write in a basic white people sense doesn't really accomplish anything but be able to write in a way that make peoples think that you can write like the middle class, which is a pretty easy thing to do and communicates your ability to imitate normalcy in written form without any actual skill or intelligence being communicated.

Lisnaholic · 05-13-2019, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Yeah. We agree. I just grew weary over time.

^ Yes, totally. There are some errors that I've just given up on, and some of my colleagues actually start making the same mistakes themselves. E.G:in Spanish, the verb for taking an exam is presentar, so natually every student says, "I'm presenting an exam." After years of hearing this, some less-than-vigilant teachers start saying the same.

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Language is never static though.

^ Tru dat!

**Frownland** · 05-13-2019, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

The ability to write in a basic white people sense doesn't really accomplish anything but be able to write in a way that make peoples think that you can write like the middle class, which is a pretty easy thing to do and communicates your ability to imitate normalcy in written form without any actual skill or intelligence being communicated.

Neat.

OccultHawk · 05-13-2019, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

The ability to write in a basic white people sense doesn't really accomplish anything but be able to write in a way that make peoples think that you can write like the middle class, which is a pretty easy thing to do and communicates your ability to imitate normalcy in written form without any actual skill or intelligence being communicated.

I know we’re on the same page so I’m not trying to school you but I still want to point out that yes if you were raised white middle class or higher that’s all you ever heard so of course. But for black kids from the projects they have to learn a new dialect from scratch. Ultimately the only course of action is to accomadate varying dialects without discrimination because the other two choices are linuisticide or perpetual headstarts for whitey.

Lisnaholic · 05-13-2019, 08:23 PM

Meanwhile in India:-

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There is no national language in India. The Constitution of India designates 22 official languages for the Government of India, and Hindi (written in the Devanagari script) as well as English as the two official languages of the Union.....*continues in brain-numbing detail*

The Batlord · 05-13-2019, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I know we’re on the same page so I’m not trying to school you but I still want to point out that yes if you were raised white middle class or higher that’s all you ever heard so of course. But for black kids from the projects they have to learn a new dialect from scratch. Ultimately the only course of action is to accomadate varying dialects without discrimination because the other two choices are linuisticide or perpetual headstarts for whitey.

Yeah of course, but what are telling young black kids? The only way for anything intelligent to happen is to tell young black kids something to make them care. Oh hey that's not happening cause they're a part of a cultural thing that doesn't give a flying **** about middle class white grammar rules.

I mean what is the solution? There is no solution. They don't care, the middle class who are supposed to be "uplifting" them don't care. It's just groups of people passing in the night with supposed interests intersecting who are told they are in the same boat but don't really feel that boat in any meaningful way.

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