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Chula Vista 06-15-2018 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962392)
Why is it the company's fault if you're irresponsible with money?

The point is the companies shouldn't be able to entice young, naive, financially inexperienced, and stupid people, by waving a cash carrot in front of their noses.

There should be some regulations in regard to the CC pimping.

DwnWthVwls 06-15-2018 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1962395)
Poorly disclosed terms?

Can you be more specific? What do you think needs to be better clarified or explained in their term agreements?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962396)
The point is the companies shouldn't be able to entice young, naive, financially inexperienced, and stupid people, by waving a cash carrot in front of their noses.

There should be some regulations in regard to the CC pimping.

So how do you feel about sugary cereal on the low shelves and McDonalds commercials?

Frownland 06-15-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962398)
Can you be more specific?

Where the cardholder doesn't understand the terms of their agreement. A couple of examples would be adjustable rates and mandatory spending terms. Then there's deceptive practice such as "innovative" APR calculations that leave out fees because they've outsourced those fees to a 3rd party (who the CC company pays on your behalf, of course).

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962398)
What do you think needs to be better clarified or explained in their term agreements?

Credit card companies aren't traditionally the most transparent businesses. They'll push an excited kid through a contract that they know they don't entirely understand. It's manipulative.

Chula Vista 06-15-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962398)
So how do you feel about sugary cereal on the low shelves and McDonalds commercials?

Neither will someday impact my ability to buy a home.

DwnWthVwls 06-15-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1962400)
Where the cardholder doesn't understand the terms of their agreement. A couple of examples would be adjustable rates and mandatory spending terms. Then there's deceptive practice such as "innovative" APR calculations that leave out fees because they've outsourced those fees to a 3rd party (who the CC company pays on your behalf, of course).

Credit card companies aren't traditionally the most transparent businesses. They'll push an excited kid through a contract that they know they don't entirely understand. It's manipulative.

So you think if you sign up for something you don't understand, that you should be removed of responsibility?

Sounds a lot like the people who got fat from eating McDonalds because they didn't understand that consuming a big mac for every meal was bad for your health. Why do you feel that CCs deserve some sort of exceptional treatment?

Most marketing is manipulative, their motivation is to sell.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962402)
Neither will someday impact my ability to buy a home.

I'd argue that health costs and the general terrible health of the American population is as big if not a bigger concern than owning your own home.

Frownland 06-15-2018 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962403)
So you think if you sign up for something you don't understand, that you should be removed of responsibility?

If I don't understand it on account of someone being intentionally deceptive or not making the whole contract transparent, then absolutely.

Chula Vista 06-15-2018 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962403)
Sounds a lot like the people who got fat from eating McDonalds because they didn't understand that consuming a big mac for every meal was bad for your health. Why do you feel that CCs deserve some sort of exceptional treatment?

I get what you're trying to do. I'm looking at a single issue at the moment. It's way too easy to muddy the waters. Question: Should CC banks be allowed to advertise on college campuses?

Leave Big Macs out of your response please.

DwnWthVwls 06-15-2018 02:00 PM

To be clear, I'm not sure I actually disagree, I just have trouble wrapping my head around why there should be an exception. My gut reaction is to revile any company that takes advantage of it's customers, but that'd be an emotional response and I ain't got time for that shit.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1962406)
I get what you're trying to do. I'm looking at a single issue at the moment. It's way too easy to muddy the waters. Question: Should CC banks be allowed to advertise on college campuses?

Leave Big Macs out of your response please.

I think it's perfectly reasonable because I like logical consistency and the two are mostly analogous.

Edit: Yes, to your question.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1962405)
If I don't understand it on account of someone being intentionally deceptive or not making the whole contract transparent, then absolutely.

I can appreciate this, I've never read the terms on my CCs to see if this kind of thing is happens. If it was actually clarified and transparent, do you think that the customer should than be wholly responsible?

Chula Vista 06-15-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962407)
I think it's perfectly reasonable because I like logical consistency and the two are mostly analogous.

Fair enough.

Are you equating logical consistency with every rule, every law, every crime, every sentence, every dictate, every mandate, everything?

Eating a Big Mac = ****ing over your financial future.

Frownland 06-15-2018 02:15 PM

It's a fine analogy. Eating a big mac feels and tastes good when you do it initially but has bad long term repercussions. Spending irresponsibly with a credit card is fun initially until you reach the long term repercussions. Neither will do you in if you do them very rarely, but if you're dong it consistently then you're writing your death sentence.


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