People who support their city's sports teams are sheep tbh.

That's not a thing here, I can only think of one that has done that. If the 'franchise' is moving around to other places then that removes that argument but mine has played at its current home since the 1800s as have many others. For most they carry the name of the city, have always played there and will never move, so that is more than a band would do.

No they're not. Maybe they want to attend matches in person?

How does some guy from Spain who doesn't give a **** about Birmingham aside from liking the checks he gets stroked for playing for your team carry the name of the city?

Tourism money for one. People overseas tend to care more than we do.

Birmingham City carries the name of the city.

It's total sheep stuff.
Nothing wrong with it, but why not be honest about it.

I would also say that, on an international level, bands represent cities more than sports do. When I think Liverpool, I think Beatles, not whatever sports teams they have there.

It's true. When Wimbledon (as they were at the time) relocated to Milton Keynes there was ructions. They eventually changed their name to MK Dons. It just doesn't happen. Teams may move to a new stadium but almost always remain in the city/town.
You know nothing about English football. A Spanish guy coming to say Man City, Villa or any other team will become part of the whole ethos of the team, one of the lads, a regular fixture in the town, at the pubs, the night clubs, special events. They're not just there for the money. They get invested in the city, often financially.
Okay good point, I guess. Still doesn't, for me, justify the vast sums of money they get and the properties they inherit for doing nothing but being born into that family.

But it's a farce. How much of your actual team and all that surround it are actually of Birmingham? It's like Hillary Clinton moving to New York just so she could run for Senate in a state I have no actual proof she'd ever been to.

You would get a different response in Africa or Asia if you mentioned Liverpool. Especially Asia.

Those are colored people though.

Quite a few are actually. We do have an academy and youth teams too.

Three years ago, nobody in Africa or Asia would have known what Leicester was. Their league win was worth about £150m to the local economy. The team has done a fantastic job in raising the profile of Leicester.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/782b...itemid=7549364

That's only cos you don't like sports. Liverpool FC dominated English footy in the 70s. Many people would think of "The Reds" when asked about Liverpool.
How many of the Denver Broncos are from Denver? Or any other team? Are you seriously saying that every football (as opposed to footy) team there is made up exclusively of guys from that state or city?

That's not my impression, but the point still stands. If I mention Detroit to you, do you honestly think of the Lions, Tigers, Pistons, or Red Wings before you think of Danny Brown, The Stooges, The White Stripes, or Eminem?

Wait, do people actually know what cities arists are from?

I don't like American sports either.

I try to.

No I don't, I would think of Eminem, but I would think of the Bulls if Chicago was mentioned, or the Lakers if LA was. There might be cities who are more associated with their music output but that isn't always the case, imo.

I hate every single woman who has ever been on a show titled "The Real Housewives of (insert city name here)".

Sigging it.

The Lakers are a terrific example of a team that has nothing to do with their city. They were originally from Minneapolis in Minnesota, a state whose nickname is Land of 10,000 Lakes. Then they moved to L.A., which has very few lakes, and pointlessly kept the name.

That show ain’t hurting their pussies son. Wrong attitude.

Not as egregious as the Utah Jazz (from New Orleans)

No denying that.

It is true.

I read a site for city development. One of the biggest complaints the users on there have at the moment is that all of our teams are doing quite badly and have been for a while. We've had some of the best development outside London over the past five years or so, but the one thing that remains a constant complaint is the lack of a team at the highest level of football because of the revenue and exposure playing in the Champions League gives you, and the size of the audience, which everyone is aware of. It really can be important in getting the city's name out there and boosting things like tourism and development. The Commonwealth Games should be a good boost but we'd like teams to be competing. If we had made the CL in 2009 VP would be a 50,000+ stadium right now.

A good example of a city where it is predominantly known for its sports team would be Dortmund, imo.

That is silly but like I said, not really a thing here.

Yes. Do you not?

And?

And it doesn't change what I was saying about successful teams raising a city's profile especially when they use the name of the city. That team is an exception to the rule because it's not really a thing over here or in Europe.

Mad isn't it. I only answered the question the thread asked :D

****ing soccer.

Hate this **** to death ever since he found God and had his co-star fired from the show because she posed in Playboy. And he's been a high-profile douche-bag ever since.

http://cdn.gospelherald.com/data/ima...rk-cameron.jpg

Cute as a button and she went on to have a very successful career in spite of Kirk "jesus" Cameron.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-conten...wing-pains.jpg

Because "the rule" is defined by Europe, of course.

Nah. When I hear Detroit I think of Motown and cars. But then we're not American so what would we know about all those bands, none of whom I knew came from Motor City.
No
Doesn't invalidate my point though, and demolishes your argument in the process.
Change hate to **** and Hawk is in there.
Or Barcelona. Or Madrid. Or Manchester.
Careful what you wish for, eh?
Now you're sounding like Frownland. Monkey told you that doesn't happen here, so it's irrelevant whether it's your experience. That's how it goes with us over here, which is why your argument holds no weight with we who are not of the American persuasion.

So you think of a record label over all the city's major sports teams. Thanks for proving my point.

How?! You just backed up my point that sports teams don't really represent their cities. I was talking about soccer cause you two are British but my point was meant to apply to American football as well. Are you on your period?

Yeah but I don't know, or care about, any American sports teams. Stop cherrypicking. I already said Barcelona, Madrid, Manchester, all defined by their footy teams.
How? I'll tell you how. Your point was that a "Spanish guy" joining Villa, or any team, doesn't give a **** about anything but getting paid, and I pointed out that these people get involved and make themselves important to the city. You then said something along the lines of "not every player in a [insert city name here] is from that city", and then more or less accepted that it's the same in US sports. So your argument that teams should only be made up of people from that city doesn't stand, and down you go.

It doesn't happen in South America either. This is what you said:

What you should have said is sports franchises in the States. Your post assumed it was commonplace and I am saying outside of the US, it isn't. It is actually pretty much non existent barring the MK Dons.

I'm not cherry picking. This is exactly the point I was making, that music can represent a city more internationally than a sports team can.

Ok, sure, one of the three things I mentioned may not commonplace in Europe. This doesn't change my point at all.