Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'm not cherry picking. This is exactly the point I was making, that music can represent a city more internationally than a sports team can.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Yeah but I don't know, or care about, any American sports teams. Stop cherrypicking. I already said Barcelona, Madrid, Manchester, all defined by their footy teams.

How? I'll tell you how. Your point was that a "Spanish guy" joining Villa, or any team, doesn't give a **** about anything but getting paid, and I pointed out that these people get involved and make themselves important to the city. You then said something along the lines of "not every player in a [insert city name here] is from that city", and then more or less accepted that it's the same in US sports. So your argument that teams should only be made up of people from that city doesn't stand, and down you go.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Ok, sure, one of the three things I mentioned may not commonplace in Europe. This doesn't change my point at all.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I always knew it was the same, you twit! I even just explained my point again and you seemingly ignored it to trumpet your nonsense victory over a soggy strawman.

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Well I already explained, nobody outside of the East Midlands would have been able to tell you anything about Leicester three years ago. Half of Asia would now though. Of course bands can raise a city's profile internationally, it depends on the band and city, you kind of said it as a general statement that almost always applies. I'd say Leicester's successful team has represented the city more than Kasabian, and that's got a lot to do with it carrying its name. It's certainly brought more money and tourism in.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

It can, but it's not necessarily always so. As was pointed out with Liverpool. So basically, we're both right and I haven't proved your point nor you proved mine. Some people will think of sports teams when thinking of certain cities/states (Dallas I think of Dallas Cowboys obviously, Leicester I think of Leicester City Football Club) and some will think of music (Seattle/Nirvana, Liverpool/Beatles etc).

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Well I already explained, nobody outside of the East Midlands would have been able to tell you anything about Leicester three years ago. Half of Asia would now though. Of course bands can raise a city's profile internationally, it depends on the band and city, you kind of said it as a general statement that almost always applies. I'd say Leicester's successful team has represented the city more than Kasabian, and that's got a lot to do with it carrying its name. It's certainly brought more money and tourism in.

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

I think you do.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I really don't.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I really don't.