Sexual Misconduct Pool

Pet_Sounds · 11-12-2017, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

1. How does one go about separating an artist from their art? I feel like, if the dam bursts, there isn't going to be anyone respectable left in any field. More and more, this entire thing is just making me feel like people everywhere are rotten ****. I don't judge anybody else for continuing to enjoy someone's work after their unsavoury character has been revealed, but for me every time there's a little twinge, a little bad-taste in my mouth to remind me that something awful happened as a result of this person's behaviour.

I'm all-around frustrated. I'm pissed that people are doing this **** in the first place. I'm pissed that my brain won't let me peacefully enjoy the products these asshats have created over the years. I'm pissed at the ****ing social circus this has become. And I'm pissed at myself for trying to reconcile the behaviour of my favourite artists and actors just so I can go on watching/listening to them without that alarm going off in my mind that shouts "HEY BUT DON'T FORGET THIS GUY'S A RAPIST".

If the art doesn't explicitly (or implicitly) condone the artist's wrongdoing, I view it as a separate entity, the same way I try to view ideas and arguments as separate from those who advance them (ad hominem). Everybody's flawed and I believe that even the more severely flawed of us can do admirable things. That's why I don't agree with the whole witch-burning going on today with people such as John A. MacDonald—sure, he might have done some unsavoury things when held up to current moral standards, but you can still admire his legacy without condoning every aspect of his life. There's no inconsistency in celebrating the good aspects of a person while condemning the bad ones, in my opinion.

**Goofle** · 11-12-2017, 07:20 PM

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My argument is that it’s ok by default unless you object to capitalism.

I’m opposed the existence of capitalism because it reduces everything we do to some kind of exploitation.

To everyone who accepts capitalism this is what you’re accepting.

People want to pick out all these problems but they’re all intrinsic to a power structure they refuse to question.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 11-12-2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

I have some stray thoughts about the subject.

1. How does one go about separating an artist from their art? I feel like, if the dam bursts, there isn't going to be anyone respectable left in any field. More and more, this entire thing is just making me feel like people everywhere are rotten ****. I don't judge anybody else for continuing to enjoy someone's work after their unsavoury character has been revealed, but for me every time there's a little twinge, a little bad-taste in my mouth to remind me that something awful happened as a result of this person's behaviour.

I'm all-around frustrated. I'm pissed that people are doing this **** in the first place. I'm pissed that my brain won't let me peacefully enjoy the products these asshats have created over the years. I'm pissed at the ****ing social circus this has become. And I'm pissed at myself for trying to reconcile the behaviour of my favourite artists and actors just so I can go on watching/listening to them without that alarm going off in my mind that shouts "HEY BUT DON'T FORGET THIS GUY'S A RAPIST".

this could be naive to think, but i wonder if a person's past experiences and how they relate to what a person does affects their ability to ignore it. for example, as someone who has never been the victim of a racist attack, I can ignore Varg Vikernes bizarre political ideologies and laugh them off. or - i can look at what Louis CK did and reason that while it's gross it "isn't that bad" because i've never been the victim of something like that.

i don't think there's anything wrong with separating, or conflating the art and the artist. i've just personally never had a problem overcoming awful people who've done awful things to enjoy great art.

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2. I realized during this conversation that I've actually been Louis CK'd before. I just hadn't been thinking of it on the same terms. It's definitely not cool, although I continue to cope with it by making it into its own comedy routine.

i can definitely say that during my high school years there were times where my actions probably overstepped the boundaries of what is and isn't okay in terms of making advances. as it was typically with girls i either already knew or was aware that they were interested in me, i don't believe i ever made them uncomfortable or pressured. however, there was one time where i was undoubtedly out of line with my actions with one person, and it still makes me feel sick to this day. it wasn't anything close to what any of the recently accused individuals have done, and i'm still very good friends with her, but it bothers me a lot that it happened, no matter how many times she has told me it was fine.

**Frownland** · 11-12-2017, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Surely this post has to contain some illegal substance

Yes, brother. The man won't allow us to make statements of substance. Deep.

**Goofle** · 11-12-2017, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Yes, brother. The man won't allow us to make statements of substance. Deep.

Damn, I didn't edit it quickly enough. Oh well. I don't really understand your reply to it though.

**Frownland** · 11-12-2017, 07:28 PM

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Damn, I didn't edit it quickly enough. Oh well. I don't really understand your reply to it though.

Having Substance in the content of what you say is now Illegal because the Man doesn't want us to have any Freedom.

Paedantic Basterd · 11-12-2017, 07:30 PM

I mean, to use the Lostprophets as an example of trying to separate the art from the artist, no matter how I think about it rationally, there's a voice that shouts "That guy raped a baby!" every time I think their name.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 11-12-2017, 07:32 PM

the new Roman Polanski accusations are really hard for me to stomach. i had wrote off his past as a 1 time very upsetting and disgusting mistake. but because of this i just feel kinda betrayed for letting myself think that he was better than anyone else who has done things like that.

**Goofle** · 11-12-2017, 07:37 PM

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Having Substance in the content of what you say is now Illegal because the Man doesn't want us to have any Freedom.

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~~Cuthbert~~ · 11-13-2017, 01:02 PM

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