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Old 10-25-2017, 06:50 PM   #261 (permalink)
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I don't know why we don't offer trade school options in high school. Why not offer kids the knowledge of how to fix cars or weld when they're still in school? They'd clearly do better with that than Algebra 2 that they'll forget in a week if they even learned it in the first place.
We have these. They're called Technical Colleges, or Techs.
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:50 PM   #262 (permalink)
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I don't know why we don't offer trade school options in high school. Why not offer kids the knowledge of how to fix cars or weld when they're still in school? They'd clearly do better with that than Algebra 2 that they'll forget in a week if they even learned it in the first place.
Colleges have the lobbying power to gear the curriculum towards them as the outcome.
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:54 PM   #263 (permalink)
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What is the goal of compulsory education?
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:56 PM   #264 (permalink)
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And has no compulsory school system succeeded with this?
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:57 PM   #265 (permalink)
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lol people who need trade school going to college
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:07 PM   #266 (permalink)
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I can’t speak for situations abroad but in America education needs to be free and non-compulsory. And I mean non-compulsory on both ends. Students of any age should be able to reject school and schools and teachers should be able to reject students.

You might think that creating a life skills employment centered curriculum would encourage cooperation but teachers would still be dealing with the endless barrage of **** yous and disruption and idiotic dip ****s starting **** with other students simply because they’re useless dysfunctional ****s.

Here’s how it would go.

What do you want to learn?

I want to be a mechanic.

Two weeks later it turns out learning to be a mechanic takes effort. 15 year old pours sugar in the gas tank and tells the teacher to suck a dick. Don’t believe it? Try it.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:08 PM   #267 (permalink)
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And has no compulsory school system succeeded with this?
Yeah. Day care.

I mean only day care. Compulsory education does not succeed at providing daycare because the environment is too toxic to everyone involved to be called a success.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:14 PM   #268 (permalink)
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I can’t speak for situations abroad but in America education needs to be free and non-compulsory. And I mean non-compulsory on both ends. Students of any age should be able to reject school and schools and teachers should be able to reject students.

You might think that creating a life skills employment centered curriculum would encourage cooperation but teachers would still be dealing with the endless barrage of **** yous and disruption and idiotic dip ****s starting **** with other students simply because they’re useless dysfunctional ****s.

Here’s how it would go.

What do you want to learn?

I want to be a mechanic.

Two weeks later it turns out learning to be a mechanic takes effort. 15 year old pours sugar in the gas tank and tells the teacher to suck a dick. Don’t believe it? Try it.
Yeah I'm sure there would be ****s, but teach lower class kids skills they actually, honestly think they can use and I suspect the amount of kids who didn't care would actually drop precipitously. You'd just have to get them used to a curriculum they thought they could use and convince them that, yes, we are in fact teaching you life skills, and no, we're not bull****ting you.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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I can’t speak for situations abroad but in America education needs to be free and non-compulsory. And I mean non-compulsory on both ends. Students of any age should be able to reject school and schools and teachers should be able to reject students.

You might think that creating a life skills employment centered curriculum would encourage cooperation but teachers would still be dealing with the endless barrage of **** yous and disruption and idiotic dip ****s starting **** with other students simply because they’re useless dysfunctional ****s.

Here’s how it would go.

What do you want to learn?

I want to be a mechanic.

Two weeks later it turns out learning to be a mechanic takes effort. 15 year old pours sugar in the gas tank and tells the teacher to suck a dick. Don’t believe it? Try it.
Prepping people to be functioning members of society is a good trade for a teacher having to deal with being told to suck a dick. You're not missing the forest for the trees, you're missing it for the leaves.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:33 PM   #270 (permalink)
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I should clarify I dont mean to show public education in a negative light

it does what it has to do in Capitalism to do right by kids

the goal however isn't to teach kids math really
Exactly. I'd love for kids to know how to interpret Shakespeare, I'd love to know how to interpret Shakespeare, but the goal of education should be to teach kids how to actually survive in life and be able to not be poor.
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