Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

DwnWthVwls · 12-15-2017, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You said "you're the one that wants to attach a label to it to make it sound bad" to elph when she's far from the only one adding labels to advocacy.

I mean arguing that you want equal rights for everyone is essentially agreeing with elph so I guess I'm on everyone's side.

No, he's arguing privileged people don't have a right to seek equality in areas where there isn't.. At least that's how i took it. Trying to make it sound bad if you say youre pro white or hetero rights.

The Batlord · 12-15-2017, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

if elph is sansa then sansa has an ugly ass man voice

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**Frownland** · 12-15-2017, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

No, he's arguing privileged people don't have a right to seek equality in areas where there isn't.. At least that's how i took it. Trying to make it sound bad if you say youre pro white or hetero rights.

He's interpreting the trend of the majority's demands for rights being demands for oppression as the rule.

What you both seem to be saying is that being a compartmentalized advocate does less for equality than being for equal rights for everyone.

**Frownland** · 12-15-2017, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

an example of this was the circumcision issue

not even a men's rights issue as female circumcision is even worse

it's a human rights issue

compare this to for example women's suffrage which is where using "X group rights" would be applicable

Bad example tbh. I think that both should be addressed but I avoid lumping them together because one is so much more awful than the other that they lose their equivalency.

**Frownland** · 12-18-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hurricanes

Y'all really be talking abt Me in the year of our L*rd 2017? Obsessed much!

Don't flatter yourself.

Trollheart · 12-18-2017, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Don't flatter yourself.

Ah, he's just full of wind.

DwnWthVwls · 12-18-2017, 08:12 PM

I knew you were crazy.

The Batlord · 12-18-2017, 09:07 PM

But now I can see your nuts.

Maajo · 12-18-2017, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Not it isn't.. wow. You sound like the people that argue people in America have no right to complain because people in Africa are worse off.

No, exactly the opposite - I think the world as a whole needs to be better, and I believe that it can be. People who believe that men are underpriviledged as a general rule are usually trying to defocus efforts on people who actually are disadvantaged. There's a hierarchy of priviledge, and it shouldn't but does exist and it causes problems that range from finding a job to not being harrassed by police or just people in general.

None of that really has anything to do with Africa, though I believe that Africa is mistreated by the rest of the world, and our corporations contribute to suffering simply by not sharing their advantages with them (or us, lulz) and actually have historically stolen a lot from them.

In a nutshell, you could say I believe that debts will always pile up, and there's a time when they got to be paid. Men are owed less of that debt, and the debt they are owed isn't because they're men.

Neapolitan · 12-18-2017, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Maajo

In a nutshell, you could say I believe that debts will always pile up, and there's a time when they got to be paid. Men are owed less of that debt, and the debt they are owed isn't because they're men.

I read recently that 18% of American companies have a CCC- credit score. It's not only individuals (regardless of being male/female) it just the way the world is, from the top down, countries, companies, people. You should really watch "The Way We Live Now" TV mini-series based on the novel by Anthony Trollope it explains everything.