Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

riseagainstrocks · 08-16-2017, 07:15 AM

Government policies necessarily have to deal with the aggregate. The AVERAGE individual of a minority background is more likely to earn less money for equivalent work, live shorter lives, have more run-ins with the law, etc. Unless you believe there is an intrinsic, biological source for the BELOW AVERAGE expected outcomes for minority groups, then there must be an external force; Most scholars would say the source for this AVERAGE disparity is the racial climate that existed in America until the 1960's.

Anyone can be prejudiced against anyone else. Racism is a power dynamic that can only be leveraged by dominant ethnic groups.

I'm sorry your life has been tough Lucem. That doesn't negate the need for federal authority to create equal opportunity for those groups that have been systematically excluded from, or had artificial hurdles erected to participate in, America's political system.

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Plus, there are places where whites are a minority in the US and they are refused jobs because of being white.

Would love to see a source for this. I agree that a hiring application that says "no whites need apply" is a moral injustice. But like all "evidence" put forward by the alt-right or purported non-racialists who just want to apply Pure Vulcan Logic divorced from all historic and social context, this feels like a canard. Happy to be proven wrong and to join in boycotting said institution.

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Meaning that as a straight white male who lives in poverty I don't have the same chances as a person of color, or a gay, or a female would of paying for college.

Again, source? Do banks charge you a higher interest rate on loans because you're a white man? Or does your lower economic status make you a higher risk, so you're placed in a difference interest rate bracket? Or are you railing against scholarships set aside for minority applicants?

We've always had more of a class problem than a race problem. What's so fascinating about our politics in the past two decades or so is the unifying of rich and poor whites against minority groups. It's how you get people living at the poverty line voting to oppose Obamacare implementation/expansion, voting for politicians who promise to cut tax rates on the top 1% of earners, allying themselves with industrialists more concerned with dividends than cost-of-living increases. I feel your anger at a world that you feel has wronged you. I'm just shocked you appear to be supporting those forces that would rather you stay a poor white man.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 07:23 AM

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Racism is typically a power dynamic that can only be leveraged by dominant ethnic groups.

Ftfy

I very much agree with you on a lot of this but leaving racism to that definition alone is confusing the trend for the rule.

Zhanteimi · 08-16-2017, 07:50 AM

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Zhanteimi · 08-16-2017, 07:52 AM

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 08:08 AM

im guessing you guys just didn't read my initial post or something because i literally just said that i would rather be well off and black than poor and white. i think poverty is the root cause to the issue not race (systematic racism is an element to this, i suppose, if thats what you wanna call it.)

didnt say the two werent connected.

its easier to be condescending than to actually present differing opinions though frown so i can understand why you wouldn't bother putting any substance in your post.

now shut up and kiss me

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 08:12 AM

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im guessing you guys just didn't read my initial post or something because i literally just said that i would rather be well off and black than poor and white. i think poverty is the root cause to the issue not race (systematic racism is an element to this, i suppose, if thats what you wanna call it.)

Your hypothetical scenario disproves that racism is a strong element of what keeps people poor. Good job my dude. *pats back and hands cookie*

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 08:18 AM

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Your hypothetical scenario disproves that racism is a strong element of what keeps people poor. Good job my dude. *pats back and hands cookie*

racisms in the sense that we are discussing keeps you poor it doesn't make you poor.

being poor in the first place also keeps you poor more or less.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 08:21 AM

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racisms in the sense that we are discussing keeps you poor it doesn't make you poor.

It can depending on how you view it. For example, being a victim of institutional racism within the justice system can make you poor because of the financial and social roadblocks of the lifestyle that we think it's okay to condemn discharged felons to for some reason (if you make it out alive, that is).

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 08:33 AM

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It can depending on how you view it. For example, being a victim of institutional racism within the justice system can make you poor because of the financial and social roadblocks of the lifestyle that we think it's okay to condemn discharged felons to for some reason (if you make it out alive, that is).

well i mean the war on drugs and the prison system in general is a big issue here but obviously the topic is a lot more relevant in low income areas which sticks to my point about keeping you poor rather than making you poor.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 08:37 AM

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well i mean the war on drugs and the prison system in general is a big issue here but obviously the topic is a lot more relevant in low income areas which sticks to my point about keeping you poor rather than making you poor.

But but

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but but white privilege in America (that's what we're talking about, right?) means that your parents are more likely to be well off if you're white because white people have not had centuries of racism keeping their parents and their parents before them from getting to a good financial place that their children could expound on.

Redefining that situation as "well I'd rather be a middle class black kid than a poor white one" misses the wider context that informs affirmative action laws or whatever the hell this conversation started from. That's not to mention that racism in the sense we're discussing doesn't immediately invalidate the struggle of poorer whites. I don't get the logic behind that at all tbh.

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