Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 04:39 AM

doesnt boiling every issue down to race cause us to ignore everyone's individual struggle? being poor is difficult regardless of your race. being unemployed is difficult regardless of your race. providing for children that you never planned to have is difficult regardless of race.

life isn't inherently more difficult because of your skin colour. if i had to do life again and got to choose between being a poor trailer park white kid born to drug addicts or a suburban middle class black kid guess which one i'm taking?

being poor AND black in the current politcal climate would be pretty tough though not denying that one

djchameleon · 08-16-2017, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

life isn't inherently more difficult because of your skin colour. if i had to do life again and got to choose between being a poor trailer park white kid born to drug addicts or a suburban middle class black kid guess which one i'm taking?

It actually is though, it's more than just income that makes people of a different skin color have a different experience in life.

Good luck picking being a suburban middle class black kid, you will constantly have to experience being prejudiced against on many levels. You get into a good school and people will only assume that you were there because of your skin color and not your own merit. You will get pulled up significantly more because of your skin color. Assumptions will be made about you and people will view you as a threat just because of your skin color.

The phrase "boiling everything down to race" is similar to those that always complain about "why others are race baiting" or feel like we live in a post racial world just because Obama was president. It doesn't work that way. Prejudice in the general population seeps into every aspect of life from education, to the prison system, to the work force etc.

I would take the poor white trailer park kid and not have to worry about simple **** like playing Pokemon Go in certain areas and having people be suspicious of you for it. Getting the benefit of the doubt of being non threatening is a great thing and I have no idea why you would want to give that up.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

It actually is though, it's more than just income that makes people of a different skin color have a different experience in life.

Good luck picking being a suburban middle class black kid, you will constantly have to experience being prejudiced against on many levels. You get into a good school and people will only assume that you were there because of your skin color and not your own merit. You will get pulled up significantly more because of your skin color. Assumptions will be made about you and people will view you as a threat just because of your skin color.

The phrase "boiling everything down to race" is similar to those that always complain about "why others are race baiting" or feel like we live in a post racial world just because Obama was president. It doesn't work that way. Prejudice in the general population seeps into every aspect of life from education, to the prison system, to the work force etc.

I would take the poor white trailer park kid and not have to worry about simple **** like playing Pokemon Go in certain areas and having people be suspicious of you for it. Getting the benefit of the doubt of being non threatening is a great thing and I have no idea why you would want to give that up.

you're right DJ. there are no assumptions made about poor white people. they aren't just "cracked up rednecks." they still recieve a great education regardless of their financial situation. they dont get questioned and they aren't looked down upon when they go anywhere. they aren't viewed as a potential threat any time they're trying to shop or go about their life. and lets not forget just how easy it is for a poor white person to get a job. that suburban black kid would be lucky to be given a chance at wal-mart, right?

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 06:48 AM

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you're right DJ. there are no assumptions made about poor white people. they aren't just "cracked up rednecks." they still recieve a great education regardless of their financial situation. they dont get questioned and they aren't looked down upon when they go anywhere. they aren't viewed as a potential threat any time they're trying to shop or go about their life. and lets not forget just how easy it is for a poor white person to get a job. that suburban black kid would be lucky to be given a chance at wal-mart, right?

I'll take ways to ignore the central issues of race discussion for 800, Alex.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-16-2017, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

It actually is though, it's more than just income that makes people of a different skin color have a different experience in life.

Good luck picking being a suburban middle class black kid, you will constantly have to experience being prejudiced against on many levels. You get into a good school and people will only assume that you were there because of your skin color and not your own merit. You will get pulled up significantly more because of your skin color. Assumptions will be made about you and people will view you as a threat just because of your skin color.

A lot of what you just said applies to class in the UK.

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I would take the poor white trailer park kid and not have to worry about simple **** like playing Pokemon Go in certain areas and having people be suspicious of you for it. Getting the benefit of the doubt of being non threatening is a great thing and I have no idea why you would want to give that up.

I'd take living in a nice area away from crime, with a house that isn't rented, better schooling, university and job prospects at the end, over worrying that other people find me 'threatening'.

The amount of money you or your parents have impacts your life more than anything.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 07:05 AM

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The amount of money you or your parents have impacts your life more than anything.

This is true, but white privilege in America (that's what we're talking about, right?) means that your parents are more likely to be well off if you're white because white people have not had centuries of racism keeping their parents and their parents before them from getting to a good financial place that their children could expound on.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 08:37 AM

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well i mean the war on drugs and the prison system in general is a big issue here but obviously the topic is a lot more relevant in low income areas which sticks to my point about keeping you poor rather than making you poor.

But but

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but but white privilege in America (that's what we're talking about, right?) means that your parents are more likely to be well off if you're white because white people have not had centuries of racism keeping their parents and their parents before them from getting to a good financial place that their children could expound on.

Redefining that situation as "well I'd rather be a middle class black kid than a poor white one" misses the wider context that informs affirmative action laws or whatever the hell this conversation started from. That's not to mention that racism in the sense we're discussing doesn't immediately invalidate the struggle of poorer whites. I don't get the logic behind that at all tbh.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-16-2017, 08:38 AM

i actually just hate black people and this was all just a plan to out myself as a klans member. you caught me.

**Frownland** · 08-16-2017, 08:40 AM

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i actually just hate black people and this was all just a plan to out myself as a klans member. you caught me.

Interesting, so why do you hate black people and wh...oh wait this isn't the political discussions for adults thread. Burn in hell, Nazi trash.

Lucem Ferre · 08-16-2017, 12:45 PM

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This is true, but white privilege in America (that's what we're talking about, right?) means that your parents are more likely to be well off if you're white because white people have not had centuries of racism keeping their parents and their parents before them from getting to a good financial place that their children could expound on.

OH MY GOD FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT WHITE PRIVILEGED IS.

I've tried to have this discussion with my friend allll the time because white people never want to accept that white privilege exists because they think it means they automatically will have a better life when in reality it means that statistically they are more likely to have a better life because of their skin. I never saw it as a way to make excuses or guilt trip white people (though it is used that way) but just as a reality that needs to be addressed and acknowledged so it can change.