Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

Lucem Ferre · 08-14-2017, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The intelligent people in the class fight critical race theory with critical theory and tell the professor about how that concept of race is an unnecessary social construct of academia when we have modifying words like systematic racism and interpersonal racism to catch all forms of the word.

Not enough intelligent people in those classes I guess.

Edit: What they seem to be doing is trying to say that racism towards whites is justifiable. I had one of the stereotypical liberals from my main forum tell me that racism towards whites doesn't count as racism because of it. Then another person informed me that even though they disagree, it's what is being taught on college campuses.

Paedantic Basterd · 08-15-2017, 12:20 AM

How racism is defined academically differs from field to field and from professor to professor. I was confused by the idea that "you can't be racist towards white people" until I probed deep enough into the issue to learn that under some working definitions, "racism" refers not to prejudice or discrimination alone, but to participation in or benefit from a societal or institutionalized system that racism is a product of.

The idea being that because white people are always in some way benefiting from such a system whereas people of colour have less equal, more mixed (usually worse) experiences in the same system, it's not possible to be racist towards white people--because that involves setting up a society and institution in which their whiteness results in their oppression, which describes probably no society currently in existence.

Not an expert by any means, but this is my understanding of what people mean when they say you can't be racist to whites. It's not because those people are libtards, it's just that they have a different working understanding of the term "racism" that is much more nuanced than the word the common public knows and engages with.

Zhanteimi · 08-15-2017, 01:59 AM

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djchameleon · 08-15-2017, 02:11 AM

You can be prejudice against whites but not racist in the same way as having systems set up against you. Yeah Ped explained it well though.

Zhanteimi · 08-15-2017, 02:14 AM

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OccultHawk · 08-15-2017, 02:46 AM

Race is an evolutionary reality not a social construct.

If racism is impossible against whites try being the only white kid in an all black school. Then tell me about ****ing power structures.

College is supposed to be about learning about the way things really are not making up moronic fairy tales to pretend the world is how you want it to be. 2+2=4 people.

OccultHawk · 08-15-2017, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mord

Unless you live in a country that doesn't have systems set up to favor white people.

How about a household? Or a neighborhood?

Zhanteimi · 08-15-2017, 02:53 AM

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The Batlord · 08-15-2017, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

How racism is defined academically differs from field to field and from professor to professor. I was confused by the idea that "you can't be racist towards white people" until I probed deep enough into the issue to learn that under some working definitions, "racism" refers not to prejudice or discrimination alone, but to participation in or benefit from a societal or institutionalized system that racism is a product of.

The idea being that because white people are always in some way benefiting from such a system whereas people of colour have less equal, more mixed (usually worse) experiences in the same system, it's not possible to be racist towards white people--because that involves setting up a society and institution in which their whiteness results in their oppression, which describes probably no society currently in existence.

Not an expert by any means, but this is my understanding of what people mean when they say you can't be racist to whites. It's not because those people are libtards, it's just that they have a different working understanding of the term "racism" that is much more nuanced than the word the common public knows and engages with.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

You can be prejudice against whites but not racist in the same way as having systems set up against you. Yeah Ped explained it well though.

See this is why it is a good idea to use different words to mean different things and not to change definitions to suit our whims, because it's confusing. This is why evolution is "just a theory".

djchameleon · 08-15-2017, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mord

My household is set up for my whiteness (family name is actually White) because I'm white and ked is white and my children are white. But my neighborhood does not have systems set up that favor me. To say nothing of the nation.

Yes you experience prejudice and bigotry there in the same way a poc would also living there but I have a feeling that your experience there and a poc's experience living there would be different.

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Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	How racism is defined academically differs from field to field and from professor to professor. I was confused by the idea that "you can't be racist towards white people" until I probed deep enough into the issue to learn that under some working definitions, "racism" refers not to prejudice or discrimination alone, but to participation in or benefit from a societal or institutionalized system that racism is a product of. The idea being that because white people are always in some way benefiting from such a system whereas people of colour have less equal, more mixed (usually worse) experiences in the same system, it's not possible to be racist towards white people--because that involves setting up a society and institution in which their whiteness results in their oppression, which describes probably no society currently in existence. Not an expert by any means, but this is my understanding of what people mean when they say you can't be racist to whites. It's not because those people are libtards, it's just that they have a different working understanding of the term "racism" that is much more nuanced than the word the common public knows and engages with.