Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-12-2017, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Sometimes you mess up and a "talking to" is enough. Sometimes you mess up so bad that a few exclamation points are needed. One of those people could have dropped dead that day because of our prank.

Were you too young to understand English? Could this not have been explained to you?

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It's not violence. It's emphasis.

It is violence

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You sir are a pansie. How many kids have you raised? You one of those people who will let little Johnny pull a tantrum in the checkout line because you won't buy him the toy? Ignoring him while everyone else has to deal with the histrionics?

I'd grab Sherri or Mike's arm enough to hurt a little and whisper really seriouslly, "stop it, NOW". My kids never stepped on anyone else's space in public.

Absolute mess of a post.

**Frownland** · 08-12-2017, 06:14 AM

Just gonna leave this here for an unrelated reason.

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Zhanteimi · 08-12-2017, 06:17 AM

I'm a believer in the efficacy of corporal punishment, and yet I don't practice it on my children.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-12-2017, 07:48 AM

can we get back to the pressing topic of people thinking it's okay to smack their children?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-12-2017, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

can we get back to the pressing topic of people thinking it's okay to smack their children?

What's your opinion Q-Man?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 08-12-2017, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

What's your opinion Q-Man?

it's unnecessary and in most cases just lazy parenting. it's essentially just a short cut to getting your child to stop doing whatever is upsetting you so much. rather than explain to them what they did and how bad it is, they know a quick smack on the bottom will do all the work for them.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-12-2017, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Obviously it's bad and you're bad if you do it, no excuses, wouldn't matter if it "worked"

Agree, like I said up until recently (1-2 years) I'd have said smacking is OK, but only because I know so many people who got smacked so it just felt normal.

I think people defend it cos they don't want to feel bad either doing it or because their parents did it to them. Like I was smacked and I don't hate my dad for it but I don't think it was right.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

it's unnecessary and in most cases just lazy parenting. it's essentially just a short cut to getting your child to stop doing whatever is upsetting you so much. rather than explain to them what they did and how bad it is, they know a quick smack on the bottom will do all the work for them.

Good post mate.

OccultHawk · 08-12-2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Someone can very well have male as their sex and female as their gender

Similar to homosexuality in that it's an anomaly that's only a problem because of societies inability to accept it

Know that your ignorance is far more dangerous than I've decided to be mean to you here

Somewhere at the core biology trumps constructs. I'll cooperate and call you a she even if you have a dick, if that's what you want. If shapes could think and talk I'd call a triangle a square if it wanted me to. But it's really just absurdity that I don't want to combat. A shape with three sides is a triangle. Everyone knows it. A person with a dick is male. You can do all the gender bending you want. I don't care. It doesn't hurt me none. I'll call you whatever you want. None of that changes the fact that dicks make you male, by design and definition.

Chiomara · 08-12-2017, 12:18 PM

What elph said.

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gender
NOUN

1Either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

In the eyes of gender essentialists, should gender really depend solely upon external genitalia (rather than sex chromosomes, or their internal reproductive organs, things which none of us can know for sure about anyone else) even though there are people who have chromosomes and gonads which do not "match," making them intersex, despite having been declared to be male or female at birth based on their genitals? There are many different kinds of intersex conditions; there are people who might have both a vagina (so, externally, they'd appear to be a woman), breasts and testes. Some don't even learn until later in life that they're intersex, maybe not until getting their chromosomes tested. I don't imagine many of them should feel as though they're less of a man or woman solely because they learn they have different chromosomes than they thought.

I don't know, I just think we're a bit too obsessed with genitalia as a society, and it doesn't make sense to me that such a large part of one's identity should be dictated by (or forced upon us for our entire life, rather) a doctor who assigns it to us based on our genitals as infants before we even have any self-awareness.

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

it's unnecessary and in most cases just lazy parenting. it's essentially just a short cut to getting your child to stop doing whatever is upsetting you so much. rather than explain to them what they did and how bad it is, they know a quick smack on the bottom will do all the work for them.

I agree. There are better ways to diffuse tantrums and such. I can see why some think hitting a kid will be more immediately effective; it makes the kid afraid of you, and momentarily shocks them out of their tantrum or whatever. But that does not solve any actual behavioral problems. Children are just small humans with poor emotional regulation skills; of course they can be huge brats, but I don't think they should be hit for acting like children.

djchameleon · 08-12-2017, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

it's unnecessary and in most cases just lazy parenting. it's essentially just a short cut to getting your child to stop doing whatever is upsetting you so much. rather than explain to them what they did and how bad it is, they know a quick smack on the bottom will do all the work for them.

Except for two things, one explaining what they did and why it is bad can still be done as a follow up after the spank. Two there is a certain age range where explaining doesn't even work. Explaining just gets ignored because they can't fully process that yet.

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Properly understood and administered, spanking is most effective as a deterrent to undesirable behavior for younger preschoolers (but never for infants). That’s because reasoning and taking away privileges often simply don’t work with kids in that age range. As children age, spanking should become even less frequent as other types of consequences are utilized. Spanking should be phased out completely before adolescence.

I agree with this quote

Spanking Can Be an Appropriate Form of Child Discipline | Time.com

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