Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

**Frownland** · 08-11-2017, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I don't really give a **** about people's gender identities, but it's like, you can't just choose your identity then force everybody around you to respect that. You can call yourself non gender fluid all you want but you can't force others to have that perspective. I can wish all I want that people didn't think I'm an ******* but if I'm being an ******* then I got to expect people to see me as the ******* I am. If you have a vagina you have to expect people to see you as female and vice versa. I'm very accepting, I hate using the word tolerant because it sounds condescending, of a lot of this but you cant force people to identify you as something you physically are not. What does it mean to mentally be female? I have had other people identify me as black and I feel like a relate to their culture more than my own but I'd never honestly consider myself black. Because I'm not.

I think that expecting people to be informed in this day and age is naive because we live in the age of obfuscation more than we live in the age of information. If there's a misconception, you can explain your preference. People who ignore your preference once they know it are hairy infected cunts though. I can see it being really difficult to tell where curiosity ends and harassment begins, so I can see why some of the more aggressive (aka clickbait worthy) transgender people seem intolerant sometimes.

And skin colour to the degree of black or white is not organically fluid. I could see where you might use that kind of logic for your nationality if you live in Taiwan for years, contribute to it, love it, and ****, but not with race, so take it from the king of ****ty analogies when I say that's a ****ty analogy.

Lucem Ferre · 08-11-2017, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think that expecting people to be informed in this day and age is naive because we live in the age of obfuscation more than we live in the age of information. If there's a misconception, you can explain your preference. People who ignore your preference once they know it are hairy infected cunts though. I can see it being really difficult to tell where curiosity ends and harassment begins, so I can see why some of the more aggressive (aka clickbait worthy) transgender people seem intolerant sometimes.

And skin colour to the degree of black or white is not organically fluid. I could see where you might use that kind of logic for your nationality if you live in Taiwan for years, contribute to it, love it, and ****, but not with race, so take it from the king of ****ty analogies when I say that's a ****ty analogy.

It's like, the thing I tell juggalos all the time. You idolize grown men who paint their faces and rap about their balls, you have to expect some kind of harassment. Don't take yourself too seriously. You're a person who doesn't identify with a gender or feels they are the wrong gender or what ever. You have to expect people to call you by your physical gender. We can spend all day being nice and trying to understand or giving in to the idea that this person doesn't want to be called this or that but at what point is anybody taking the time to understand why somebody would have a problem with that? You're trying to force your perception of who you are onto others and at that point you're just begging others to validate your identity for you. You can't do that. It's like, okay, you identify as a male even though you have the body of a female. You can do that. That's fine. But why do I have to identify you as something I don't see you as. You can see me as a 'harry ****' for that but I don't see me as a harry ****. I personally don't see the difference between race identity and gender identity either. Both race and gender have their own cultures. And to be more specific each races gender has it's own culture. If you could point out an actual difference go ahead. I don't see one.

Edit: It's not like I go out of my way to harass these people and I'll typically call them what ever but at some point it starts to bother me. Like, am I really being open minded and non bigoted or am I just feeding into somebody's delusion?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-11-2017, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

You're trying to force your perception of who you are onto others and at that point you're just begging others to validate your identity for you. You can't do that. It's like, okay, you identify as a male even though you have the body of a female. You can do that. That's fine. But why do I have to identify you as something I don't see you as. You can see me as a 'harry ****' for that but I don't see me as a harry ****.

Good post imo and I don't think you're a **** for having that opinion.

**Frownland** · 08-11-2017, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

It's like, the thing I tell juggalos all the time. You idolize grown men who paint their faces and rap about their balls, you have to expect some kind of harassment. Don't take yourself too seriously. You're a person who doesn't identify with a gender or feels they are the wrong gender or what ever. You have to expect people to call you by your physical gender. We can spend all day being nice and trying to understand or giving in to the idea that this person doesn't want to be called this or that but at what point is anybody taking the time to understand why somebody would have a problem with that? You're trying to force your perception of who you are onto others and at that point you're just begging others to validate your identity for you. You can't do that. It's like, okay, you identify as a male even though you have the body of a female. You can do that. That's fine. But why do I have to identify you as something I don't see you as. You can see me as a 'harry ****' for that but I don't see me as a harry ****. I personally don't see the difference between race identity and gender identity either. Both race and gender have their own cultures. And to be more specific each races gender has it's own culture. If you could point out an actual difference go ahead. I don't see one.

Edit: It's not like I go out of my way to harass these people and I'll typically call them what ever but at some point it starts to bother me. Like, am I really being open minded and non bigoted or am I just feeding into somebody's delusion?

"My name is James."
"Nah you're more of a Bill imma call you Bill."
"You're a retard."

Kinda similar to that.

grindy · 08-11-2017, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

"My name is James."
"Nah you're more of a Bill imma call you Bill."
"You're a retard."

Kinda similar to that.

Good one, Chris.

**Frownland** · 08-11-2017, 07:20 AM

Thanks, Vlad or Adolf or whatever you call yourself now.

djchameleon · 08-11-2017, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

I'm happy to oblige pretty much anyone when it comes to identity because it costs me nothing to do it. I can't think of a reason not to respect people's identities.

This! I really don't get why people feel the need to go out of their way to disrespect how someone wants to be identified.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

You're trying to force your perception of who you are onto others and at that point you're just begging others to validate your identity for you. You can't do that. It's like, okay, you identify as a male even though you have the body of a female. You can do that. That's fine. But why do I have to identify you as something I don't see you as. You can see me as a 'harry ****' for that but I don't see me as a harry ****.

Why is it so hard to just identify the person they wish to be identified as even if you don't see it? You don't have to live in their skin and experience their day to day life. If you can't simply respect how they choose to identify then why are you even associating with them. Just walk away then you don't have to worry about ******* thoughts like feeding into their delusions.

grindy · 08-11-2017, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Thanks, Vlad or Adolf or whatever you call yourself now.

Tends more towards Adolf than towards Vlad lately.

**Frownland** · 08-11-2017, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Tends more towards Adolf than towards Vlad lately.

You should be ashamed of your cultural appropriation.

Mindy · 08-11-2017, 09:18 AM

what rights do men not have

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