Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-04-2017, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

You don't have an experience without working foreskin to know how it feels to your current situation.

This doesn't make any sense.

DwnWthVwls · 05-04-2017, 10:28 AM

FTR idc about differing opinions. Im more interested in how people taking your position justify it and what else you think is and isnt okay without consent (im just not really finding any consistency in most of the arguments when the logic is applied in a broader sense, beyond circumcision). As i said with arguments for veganism, if the audience takes the position that they do not care then there is nothing you can possibly say. However there is plenty to refute if they make any other claims and thats whats happening in this thread.

**Frownland** · 05-04-2017, 10:30 AM

This convo is an excellent example of why we shouldn't judge people in the past by modern moral standards. Imagine how we'll be viewed when society advances beyond circumcision: it'd be wrong just as a question no less a debate.

Also ditto to what MLM said.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 05-04-2017, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

As somebody with a working foreskin, I can tell you with 100% certainty that the part of the penis with most nerve endings and response is the foreskin itself.

maybe, but there are quite a few studies claiming it doesn't affect sexual pleasure. although there are also quite a few saying that it does affect the sexual pleasure of the woman so i mean, i dunno. i think sexual pleasure is the least pertinent element of the issue, the bigger issue is cutting off part of the penis for no real reason.

Chula Vista · 05-04-2017, 10:39 AM

Man Like Monkey, DownWithVowels, and Goofle.

Redefining melodrama on an hourly basis.

(jeez, these guys are really clinging to their foreskin)

Linda and I chose to have it done to Mike when he was only a couple of days old. I guess we could have also chose to have his tongue split. And his tonsils and appendix ripped out. Maybe even a kidney or lung while we were at it.

How ridiculous does that read?

Just because you have some useless skin hiding the tip of your johnson doesn't give you the right to get all up in arms with the over 80% of us who have beautiful dicks.

**Frownland** · 05-04-2017, 10:41 AM

Yes, that's exactly what everyone is saying. **** you for being circumcised and circumcising your kid. You're a ****ty person because you think your dick is pretty. That's really what our side of the argument boils down to.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-04-2017, 10:45 AM

Chula taking it personally again.

btw why do you have to keep mentioning your cock? Reckon you've got a two incher tbh.

**Goofle** · 05-04-2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Linda and I chose to have it done to Mike when he was only a couple of days old.

I think this is a good place to stop the debate. If you haven't changed your opinion on the matter yet, I can't imagine any new ways of arguing it will come up that don't involve psychological barriers which may result from individual actions.

The Batlord · 05-04-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Explain. And if youre going to argue about the pontential MINOR health risks associated with keeping it then why arent we removing tonsils and appendixes? Its cosmetic, you just dont want it to be because your position is ****ed without it.

Tonsillectomies and appendectomies are major surgery though. I'm pretty sure doctors don't want to put infants under anaesthesia for long periods of time unless absolutely necessary. I tried Googling it, but I just got a bunch of conflicting reports on how short-term anaesthesia may or may not damage the development of cognitive functions in children under three. Whatever the case, it's clearly not desirable to put very small children under anaesthesia unless necessary.

Anesthesia May Harm Children's Brains

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...it-in-infants/

https://www.asahq.org/about-asa/news...infants?page=4

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Man Like Monkey, DownWithVowels, and Goofle.

Redefining melodrama on an hourly basis.

(jeez, these guys are really clinging to their foreskin)

Linda and I chose to have it done to Mike when he was only a couple of days old. I guess we could have also chose to have his tongue split. And his tonsils and appendix ripped out. Maybe even a kidney or lung while we were at it.

How ridiculous does that read?

Just because you have some useless skin hiding the tip of your johnson doesn't give you the right to get all up in arms with the over 80% of us who have beautiful dicks.

Considering just how long it's probably been since she's seen it, I question how beautiful your wife would think your old man dick is now.

duga · 05-04-2017, 11:18 AM

My stance on this is the same stance I have for any counter-movement. This is reactionary. Any time there is a movement in one direction (in this case, women's rights), there will inevitably be a counter movement filled with people who don't understand the reason there is a women's rights movement in the first place. Just because there is a movement for "x" doesn't mean "y" is being treated unfairly or that they are not getting their voices heard. This is the same as people countering "Black Lives Matter" with "White/All Lives Matter". Do all lives matter? Of course, but you are missing the point. Some lives feel they have mattered less and deserve some recognition and support. Do men's rights matter? Of course, but I don't think men have historically had a problem asserting their rights. I know there has been discussion about genital mutilation - is it a weird and archaic practice to circumcise men? Sure, but unlike female genital mutilation, a lot of people buy the "hygiene" argument and I'd say circumcision still has popular support in our society. Your opinion about whether or not it's wrong is one thing - you are entitled to your opinion. The difference between this and female genital mutilation seen throughout the world is parents have a choice about circumcision. If Goofle has a boy and decides not to circumcise him, he doesn't have to. If that same boy grows up and wants a circumcision, he can. The same can't be said for women in oppressive countries around the world.

Think hard enough about any group of people and you can come up with some ways that that group is "oppressed". But you are just scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with problems. You better believe any problem men have will be solved fairly quickly if enough men agree it's a problem. Who would stop them? There are plenty of people who will get in the way of women's rights and at this point in history, there are PLENTY of people to stop them. THAT is the point.

This thread is huge and I didn't read through all 71 pages, so sorry if any of that is redundant.

05-04-2017, 10:30 AM	#643 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	This convo is an excellent example of why we shouldn't judge people in the past by modern moral standards. Imagine how we'll be viewed when society advances beyond circumcision: it'd be wrong just as a question no less a debate. Also ditto to what MLM said. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-04-2017, 10:39 AM	#645 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Man Like Monkey, DownWithVowels, and Goofle. Redefining melodrama on an hourly basis. (jeez, these guys are really clinging to their foreskin) Linda and I chose to have it done to Mike when he was only a couple of days old. I guess we could have also chose to have his tongue split. And his tonsils and appendix ripped out. Maybe even a kidney or lung while we were at it. How ridiculous does that read? Just because you have some useless skin hiding the tip of your johnson doesn't give you the right to get all up in arms with the over 80% of us who have beautiful dicks. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

05-04-2017, 10:41 AM	#646 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Yes, that's exactly what everyone is saying. ** you for being circumcised and circumcising your kid. You're a *ty person because you think your dick is pretty. That's really what our side of the argument boils down to. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x

05-04-2017, 11:18 AM	#650 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	My stance on this is the same stance I have for any counter-movement. This is reactionary. Any time there is a movement in one direction (in this case, women's rights), there will inevitably be a counter movement filled with people who don't understand the reason there is a women's rights movement in the first place. Just because there is a movement for "x" doesn't mean "y" is being treated unfairly or that they are not getting their voices heard. This is the same as people countering "Black Lives Matter" with "White/All Lives Matter". Do all lives matter? Of course, but you are missing the point. Some lives feel they have mattered less and deserve some recognition and support. Do men's rights matter? Of course, but I don't think men have historically had a problem asserting their rights. I know there has been discussion about genital mutilation - is it a weird and archaic practice to circumcise men? Sure, but unlike female genital mutilation, a lot of people buy the "hygiene" argument and I'd say circumcision still has popular support in our society. Your opinion about whether or not it's wrong is one thing - you are entitled to your opinion. The difference between this and female genital mutilation seen throughout the world is parents have a choice about circumcision. If Goofle has a boy and decides not to circumcise him, he doesn't have to. If that same boy grows up and wants a circumcision, he can. The same can't be said for women in oppressive countries around the world. Think hard enough about any group of people and you can come up with some ways that that group is "oppressed". But you are just scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with problems. You better believe any problem men have will be solved fairly quickly if enough men agree it's a problem. Who would stop them? There are plenty of people who will get in the way of women's rights and at this point in history, there are PLENTY of people to stop them. THAT is the point. This thread is huge and I didn't read through all 71 pages, so sorry if any of that is redundant. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

05-04-2017, 10:45 AM	#647 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Chula taking it personally again. btw why do you have to keep mentioning your cock? Reckon you've got a two incher tbh.