Chula Vista

Clamping something so that it dies because of lack of blood flow after 24 hours in no way resembles clamping something and then cutting it off. OK.

Sorry if I was unaware that the new age practice differs from what I witnessed first hand. Twice.

And Frowny, do you even spend a few seconds trying to comprehend my points? Or do you simply just hop on the keyboard and put on your snarky hat?

A pot shouldn't call a kettle black.

Isborn: The only point I was trying to make is that other than my own ballpark frank - which I see on a regular basis - the only other franks I see are via porn. And 99% are snipped. A trend is a trend is a trend.

The original conversation here steered towards trying to link male circumcism with female genital mutilation as if to equate the two to make a point about unapproved violation. That wasn't my doing. I'm just commenting on the absurdity of that.




My frank is freaking beautiful BTW. At least Linny thinks so. And she's spent a ton more time up close and personal with it than I have.

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Goofle

The only link was to point out that one is legal and one isn't, nobody arguing against MGM was equating the seriousness of either. Though it's fair to say that both are barbaric practices.

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DwnWthVwls

Except it wasn't.. We aren't trying to equate the two, we are arguing that both are violations of human rights.

Like I said earlier, murdering and breaking the speed limit are BOTH breaking the law, even though they are not closely related. Circumcisions and FGM are BOTH violations of human rights, even though they are not equal. It's really not that complicated.

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Isbjørn

Fair point, blah

And likewise, I've never seen a circumzised schnapper irl

While I don't agree with you on everything you've said, you're right about the absurdity of equating the two types of circumcision. Someone had to bring some nuance to the discussion.

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Cuthbert

The first time I saw porn the men were circumcised. I thought I was deformed. I only realised I was normal when I was like 17/18.

Frownland

It's not really a preferable method, although I'm sure there's some whacko out there who promotes it, but an umbilical cord will objectively fall off without intervention. A foreskin does not.

This is actually why anecdotal evidence is not evidence in the slightest. Your--no, NOBODY's experience is an accurate reflection of reality since it's such a tiny cross section of what is actually out there.

Please explain where I misunderstood. It would be beneficial to both of us.

We're discussing the ethics of circumcision, so when you come in with something like this it really really sounds like you value aesthetics over ethics. It also sounds like you think the popularity of something justifies it because you keep bringing up how common it is. Do either of these reflect how you feel? Because that is what it reads like.

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Isbjørn

I probably would've thought the same if it wasn't for my country's relatively early sexual education. I could criticize it, but compared to the sex ed stories I've heard from people in the US, Norwegian sex ed seems pretty far ahead.

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Chula Vista

At what point does a newborn baby have "human rights"? Circumcision is usually performed when a baby is less than a week old. Did I have human rights when I was 3-4 days old?

FGM is done anywhere between birth and young teenhood.

In the first case they cut off a little bit of useless skin that serves no purpose whatsoever. In the second, they cut off the clitoris. THE CLITORIS. And the majority of the vulva.

The decision by a father to have his daughter endure FGM is based on religious fanaticisim and female suppression.

Goofle and DWV, do me a favor: Go to Wiki and search "Human Rights Violation". Take ten minutes to read. Then come back and explain to me why snipping the foreskin off of a 3 day old baby brings you down so much.

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DwnWthVwls

You have rights before youre born, hence abortion laws. If you didn't have rights at 3-4 days then does that mean I could have legally drown you?

It doesn't bring me down.. I already said, I'm snipped, I don't care that I'm snipped, and it's really not that big of a deal(to me). That doesn't have any bearing on the fact that I should have been given the option and it was a violation of my person.

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Frownland

Are these genuine questions?

Stop equating male and female masturbation. Steering a conversation about male circumcision towards FGM is doing exactly that.

So the existence of a worse issue makes lesser issues non-issues? F. Ex. petty theft is not a crime because grand theft is worse. Or how on earth can anyone call Caitlyn Jenner brave when SOLDIERS exist?

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