Chiomara

Nothing DJ said was wrong, Qwerty. Pointing out that institutionalized racism is a thing (which tends to be much worse for people who aren't white, especially within the criminal justice system) does not mean he's implying that no white person has ever suffered or struggled. Obviously all poor people are going to suffer in our capitalist hell world.

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Frownland

This is true, but white privilege in America (that's what we're talking about, right?) means that your parents are more likely to be well off if you're white because white people have not had centuries of racism keeping their parents and their parents before them from getting to a good financial place that their children could expound on.

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riseagainstrocks

Government policies necessarily have to deal with the aggregate. The AVERAGE individual of a minority background is more likely to earn less money for equivalent work, live shorter lives, have more run-ins with the law, etc. Unless you believe there is an intrinsic, biological source for the BELOW AVERAGE expected outcomes for minority groups, then there must be an external force; Most scholars would say the source for this AVERAGE disparity is the racial climate that existed in America until the 1960's.

Anyone can be prejudiced against anyone else. Racism is a power dynamic that can only be leveraged by dominant ethnic groups.

I'm sorry your life has been tough Lucem. That doesn't negate the need for federal authority to create equal opportunity for those groups that have been systematically excluded from, or had artificial hurdles erected to participate in, America's political system.

Would love to see a source for this. I agree that a hiring application that says "no whites need apply" is a moral injustice. But like all "evidence" put forward by the alt-right or purported non-racialists who just want to apply Pure Vulcan Logic divorced from all historic and social context, this feels like a canard. Happy to be proven wrong and to join in boycotting said institution.

Again, source? Do banks charge you a higher interest rate on loans because you're a white man? Or does your lower economic status make you a higher risk, so you're placed in a difference interest rate bracket? Or are you railing against scholarships set aside for minority applicants?

We've always had more of a class problem than a race problem. What's so fascinating about our politics in the past two decades or so is the unifying of rich and poor whites against minority groups. It's how you get people living at the poverty line voting to oppose Obamacare implementation/expansion, voting for politicians who promise to cut tax rates on the top 1% of earners, allying themselves with industrialists more concerned with dividends than cost-of-living increases. I feel your anger at a world that you feel has wronged you. I'm just shocked you appear to be supporting those forces that would rather you stay a poor white man.

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Ftfy

I very much agree with you on a lot of this but leaving racism to that definition alone is confusing the trend for the rule.

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard

im guessing you guys just didn't read my initial post or something because i literally just said that i would rather be well off and black than poor and white. i think poverty is the root cause to the issue not race (systematic racism is an element to this, i suppose, if thats what you wanna call it.)

didnt say the two werent connected.

its easier to be condescending than to actually present differing opinions though frown so i can understand why you wouldn't bother putting any substance in your post.

now shut up and kiss me

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Frownland

Your hypothetical scenario disproves that racism is a strong element of what keeps people poor. Good job my dude. *pats back and hands cookie*

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard

racisms in the sense that we are discussing keeps you poor it doesn't make you poor.

being poor in the first place also keeps you poor more or less.

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Frownland

It can depending on how you view it. For example, being a victim of institutional racism within the justice system can make you poor because of the financial and social roadblocks of the lifestyle that we think it's okay to condemn discharged felons to for some reason (if you make it out alive, that is).

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