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Old 08-15-2017, 04:16 AM   #1121 (permalink)
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How racism is defined academically differs from field to field and from professor to professor. I was confused by the idea that "you can't be racist towards white people" until I probed deep enough into the issue to learn that under some working definitions, "racism" refers not to prejudice or discrimination alone, but to participation in or benefit from a societal or institutionalized system that racism is a product of.

The idea being that because white people are always in some way benefiting from such a system whereas people of colour have less equal, more mixed (usually worse) experiences in the same system, it's not possible to be racist towards white people--because that involves setting up a society and institution in which their whiteness results in their oppression, which describes probably no society currently in existence.

Not an expert by any means, but this is my understanding of what people mean when they say you can't be racist to whites. It's not because those people are libtards, it's just that they have a different working understanding of the term "racism" that is much more nuanced than the word the common public knows and engages with.
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You can be prejudice against whites but not racist in the same way as having systems set up against you. Yeah Ped explained it well though.
See this is why it is a good idea to use different words to mean different things and not to change definitions to suit our whims, because it's confusing. This is why evolution is "just a theory".
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Old 08-15-2017, 04:21 AM   #1122 (permalink)
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My household is set up for my whiteness (family name is actually White) because I'm white and ked is white and my children are white. But my neighborhood does not have systems set up that favor me. To say nothing of the nation.
Yes you experience prejudice and bigotry there in the same way a poc would also living there but I have a feeling that your experience there and a poc's experience living there would be different.
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Old 08-15-2017, 04:23 AM   #1123 (permalink)
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Old 08-15-2017, 05:05 AM   #1124 (permalink)
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See this is why it is a good idea to use different words to mean different things and not to change definitions to suit our whims, because it's confusing. This is why evolution is "just a theory".
But all those definitions have evolved. If we are going to talk honestly talk about instutional racism just ask yourselves "How many Chinese women won Miss Black America?"
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Old 08-15-2017, 05:09 AM   #1125 (permalink)
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Now, on the topic of redefining words to fit an agenda, how do people feel about some college campuses telling students that racism is defined as systematic oppression towards a race rather than bigotry towards a race thus pushing the idea that bigotry towards white people is more tolerated because it isn't racism because white people aren't systematically oppressed?
It's not defined as that.

Of course you can be racist to whites.
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Old 08-15-2017, 06:54 AM   #1126 (permalink)
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The Japs don't like the darkies, that's for sure.

EDIT: The yaks use them to sell coke in Roppongi.
I wonder where the hatred stems from. I know they kind of idolize white people so even though they might not like them for not being Japanese. They do get a pass.
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Old 08-15-2017, 07:35 AM   #1127 (permalink)
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How racism is defined academically differs from field to field and from professor to professor. I was confused by the idea that "you can't be racist towards white people" until I probed deep enough into the issue to learn that under some working definitions, "racism" refers not to prejudice or discrimination alone, but to participation in or benefit from a societal or institutionalized system that racism is a product of.

The idea being that because white people are always in some way benefiting from such a system whereas people of colour have less equal, more mixed (usually worse) experiences in the same system, it's not possible to be racist towards white people--because that involves setting up a society and institution in which their whiteness results in their oppression, which describes probably no society currently in existence.

Not an expert by any means, but this is my understanding of what people mean when they say you can't be racist to whites. It's not because those people are libtards, it's just that they have a different working understanding of the term "racism" that is much more nuanced than the word the common public knows and engages with.
I think people just confuse the trend for a rule. It's useful to use that definition when writing esoteric papers on class and racism, because it takes away the need to waste a bunch of writing on qualifiers. That doesn't mean that interpersonal prejudice is invalid as racism because it isn't directly driven by systemic racism, minorities just experience more racism because the systemic element is not in their favour.
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Old 08-15-2017, 08:19 AM   #1129 (permalink)
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But all those definitions have evolved. If we are going to talk honestly talk about instutional racism just ask yourselves "How many Chinese women won Miss Black America?"
No one's denying institutionalized racism. I'm just saying that conflating that with racism doesn't make sense.

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White people don't get a pass. Your information is outdated about twenty years. Just the other day, a white acquaintance of mine was in a meeting and called his secretary Mochizuki (that's her last name) instead of Mochizuki-san. The J-boss stopped the meeting and literally said, "You call her Mochzuki-SAN. Remember who you are, white man." Intimating that he is lower than Japanese because of his race.

With the rise of nationalism in Japan, all foreigners are kind of melding into one group.
Nationalism is on the rise in Japan? Why?
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