Lucem Ferre

Yeah, I can acknowledge that. I call them shemales, or transgender. Or the gender they are transitioning to.

Edit: ****ing unpack, it's a Sunday I don't got anything better to do. Maybe you can help me understand better.

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OccultHawk

That's all you have to say. You can write thousands of pages on the intricacies of math and a dude with a Ph.D. might say well sometimes 2+2=5 because numbers are a social construct but the six year old who says it's 4 is still right.

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The Batlord

If you accept that then shouldn't you accept that gender is not black and white? That it is changeable? That it's perhaps something you should educate yourself on before making a judgement either way?

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Lucem Ferre

Physically they are not the same gender they once were.

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Chula Vista

Maybe we should consult an expert?

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Lucem Ferre

I'm not saying it's black and white, I'm saying that it's defined by your physical body.

Or like, there are people that don't identify as any gender. I was introduced to a girl that isn't transitioning, has no plans on transitioning, but she says she doesn't doesn't identify as either gender most of the time. Some days she feels like a girl, other days she identifies as a male, but for the most part she identifies as genderless. (By the way, despite the straight white cis male going off on me for asking questions about it she didn't mind and she told me I could use "she" rather than "they" if I prefer)

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Paedantic Basterd

I no longer understand what we are discussing. Were you not denying that the transitional stage and resultant crossover existed?

Lucem Ferre

No. I was just denying that a physical male is a female until they enter transitioning or transition.



Elph, do you even have any clue what you are talking about or do you just come in to run your mouth and pretend like you are more knowledgeable than you are? Because I'm asking ANYBODY that has any kind of facts or knowledge that contradicts what I believe to put them forth. You claimed you have them but have yet to put any forth, as usual.

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Paedantic Basterd

The transitional process inherently has different stages within it, though, starting with the decision to transition, moving through behavioural and social changes, on toward physical changes. We're saying that the decisional, behavioural, and social changes count as part of that process and deserve to be respected for each individual undergoing it.